The true religion..

[almifkhar]

wizandai just wanted to offer a correction. hinduism as with traditional buddahism are monotheistic relgions.

 

[wizanda]

wizandai just wanted to offer a correction. hinduism as with traditional buddahism are monotheistic relgions.

Understood and accepted was just reiterating it for people who are unaware that Hindu texts explain there is one creator...people get muddled with seeing Shiva, Vishnu and Brahman…..Not realizing they are all just reflections of the same being....

 

[Angelfire]

In my opinion, no one has it right. You cannot disprove god...but as for the religions that have been founded because of him, I'm not so sure.

To me a lot of them sound extremely silly...since Christianity has been around I think something like 32,000 different denominations have been created. All by humans who have a different opinions and lifestyles. Personally I think all humans have gotten it wrong, and those who continue to try and find the truth will fail.

One question, why....why can't you just believe in something greater than yourself, something else that made us...just something. Not Allah, not Jesus, or whomever. But something in the singular and plural sense. Why must people die because of their opinions, just because someone doesn't agree.

To me it's no different than language, you're all speaking something different, but you are speaking nonetheless aren't you? Communication is your objective isn't it? Isn't the goal of religion to become closer to god? Is anyone really wrong or right? Or are we all just different and unique in our own ways?

Sadly people look for God in scriptures, instead of within themselves which is the only place he is to be found. People die because some-one else see's a threat to their power base.
Personally I do believe in something greater than myself, and have been blessed by that greater one within revealing its Self to me.

peace

 

[Angelfire]

If one of our religions right now is the final true religion.... then why doesn't it feel perfect for everybody?

I mean, if you finally followed exactly the right religion, it must feel like you discovered the truth about the world and existance. Some of you will feel that way, but why not everybody in the same religion?

Religion is a path, just a path. The end of the path is what is important. For the
serious devotee whether Christian or Hindu the path requires great sacrifice and
surrender and it definitely doesnt feel perfect but the end result is Glorious.

Its not the same for everyone simply because we all bring different things into it and we dont all put the same effort into it.


Religion is a great boat to get you from one side of the lake to the other, but when you get to the other side you gotta get out of the boat.



peace

 

[Storm]

Pantheist as in 'God' and 'The Universe' are the same...God as a synonym for everything that exists.

Yes, I know what pantheism means, thank you.

But the original quote is often (as in this case) used totally out of context.

Howso? The man said flatly that he believed in God.

 

[autonomous1one1]

....I mean, if you finally followed exactly the right religion, it must feel like you discovered the truth about the world and existance. Some of you will feel that way, but why not everybody in the same religion?

Greetings Bouncing Ball. Let me offer that everybody in my religion does feel the same way. But, since as far as I know there is only one in my religion, for the purposes of your thread let me bow to the wisdoms of almifkar and Angelfire :bow: :

true religion is not what most precieve as religion. it is spiritualism and mastering it. if one takes the time to read the holy books which pretain to a creator, one will notice that all of them have the same goal in mind, and on a deeper level they all agree as to how one achieves the end goal. people tend to get bogged down in the mine is better than yours game due to the various different rituals and practice, that they forget what it is all about, moving on from here to the next level.the one i follow simply is the right one for me, but i don't expect everyone to follow it. ...

...people look for God in scriptures, instead of within themselves which is the only place he is to be found. People die because some-one else see's a threat to their power base....

 

[frg001]

Yes, I know what pantheism means, thank you.


Howso? The man said flatly that he believed in God.

ok.
For me Pantheism is almost the same as atheism. Call the universe 'God' if you like, but it aint a 'creator' in the sense of the word that people who drag out that quote are usually trying to convey...

I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a Jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a Jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an atheist.

- Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a Jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2

-
In the end it depends on your viewpoint. I view him as an 'almost' atheist... (I am an atheist - and strangely enough I believe in the 'universe' too...)

 

[moegypt]

If one of our religions right now is the final true religion.... then why doesn't it feel perfect for everybody?

I mean, if you finally followed exactly the right religion, it must feel like you discovered the truth about the world and existance. Some of you will feel that way, but why not everybody in the same religion?

God created us with a mind.. Everyone use his mind ,but not eveyone will reach the truth.

People are here in this life for a test... why we are in a test?.. Because you are a miracle... because you have millions of cells only on your brain... Because you can use your mind and travel to space...you can put a lion in the zoo.

And because you are miracle... You must be tested? this is life.

Qur'an: Sura 80:

33. At length, when there comes the Deafening Noise,-
34. That Day shall a man flee from his own brother,
35. And from his mother and his father,
36. And from his wife and his children.
37. Each one of them, that Day, will have enough concern (of his own) to make him indifferent to the others.
38. Some faces that Day will be beaming,
39. Laughing, rejoicing.
40. And other faces that Day will be dust-stained,
41. Blackness will cover them: 42. Such will be the Rejecters of Allah, the doers of iniquity

 

[Doodah]

God created us with a mind.. Everyone use his mind ,but not eveyone will reach the truth.

People are here in this life for a test... why we are in a test?.. Because you are a miracle... because you have millions of cells only on your brain... Because you can use your mind and travel to space...you can put a lion in the zoo.

And because you are miracle... You must be tested? this is life.

Qur'an: Sura 80:

33. At length, when there comes the Deafening Noise,-
34. That Day shall a man flee from his own brother,
35. And from his mother and his father,
36. And from his wife and his children.
37. Each one of them, that Day, will have enough concern (of his own) to make him indifferent to the others.
38. Some faces that Day will be beaming,
39. Laughing, rejoicing.
40. And other faces that Day will be dust-stained,
41. Blackness will cover them: 42. Such will be the Rejecters of Allah, the doers of iniquity

Guess I am a 'doer' of iniquity then.
Can I ask you a question? If I continue (as I will until I die) to 'reject Allah' (and of course all the other supernatural gods...but I lead a good moral life, yet some guy blows himself up killing innocent people, with Allah in his heart, and the belief he will be sent to heaven, he goes right? And I don't?
Or what?
If that's the case then doesn't that make the dude a bit of a prima-donna? demanding he be loved and worshiped and that his subjects submit all to him?
That he would accept someone into heaven just for bigging him up, but not accept a good person, who happens to believe something different?
Makes my blood boil(sic).

 

[moegypt]

Guess I am a 'doer' of iniquity then.
Can I ask you a question? If I continue (as I will until I die) to 'reject Allah' (and of course all the other supernatural gods...but I lead a good moral life, yet some guy blows himself up killing innocent people, with Allah in his heart, and the belief he will be sent to heaven, he goes right? And I don't?
Or what?
If that's the case then doesn't that make the dude a bit of a prima-donna? demanding he be loved and worshiped and that his subjects submit all to him?
That he would accept someone into heaven just for bigging him up, but not accept a good person, who happens to believe something different?
Makes my blood boil(sic).

Thank you,
Muslims believe in Aya in Qur'an:
(5:32) On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

The One who 'Reject Allah' will take his gifts in this life... He will take the love of people..He will take self-confedence..He will be happy.....
But, He will not take anything in the last day..If he died with reject to Allah..He will go hell forever.

Why?
Because you walk in his earth,under his sky,breath his air( while you don't see it),enjoy sex with your wife..and your wife is created by him, You can use your mind to make your life easy and beauty....

After all this if this person don't know Allah..He must go hell!!
Because he didn't use his mind to know that there is one who is more great...There is one who can create what we see and what we don't see...There is one who creat all this huge world.

He didn't know his God in the first life, God will not know him in the last life (literal expression)..That is logic

 

[Doodah]

Thank you,
Muslims believe in Aya in Qur'an:
(5:32) On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

The One who 'Reject Allah' will take his gifts in this life... He will take the love of people..He will take self-confedence..He will be happy.....
But, He will not take anything in the last day..If he died with reject to Allah..He will go hell forever.

Why?
Because you walk in his earth,under his sky,breath his air( while you don't see it),enjoy sex with your wife..and your wife is created by him, You can use your mind to make your life easy and beauty....

After all this if this person don't know Allah..He must go hell!!
Because he didn't use his mind to know that there is one who is more great...There is one who can create what we see and what we don't see...There is one who creat all this huge world.

He didn't know his God in the first life, God will not know him in the last life (literal expression)..That is logic

Perhaps you ought to look up the word 'logic'?

This claptrap is exactly what bugs me about organised religions.
'Only ours is right'
'Everyone else will burn'

Well I tell you what, I am enjoying sex with my GIRLFRIEND... We aren't married... oh dear! But I try to live my life decently. I don't steal, or cheat. To be honest I wouldn't want ANYTHING to do with a god who was so self-righteous.
But anyway I don't believe in allah, or a supernatural god of any kind, obviously.
muhammed was an ordinary bloke just like the rest. bit of a clever one, managed to get his brand of belief installed. And what a good one! - Make it as difficult as hell to get out once you're in and make part of it to repeat over and over and over, the text he wrote... (in any other context thats called brain-washing).

 

[MoonWater]

Thank you,
Muslims believe in Aya in Qur'an:
(5:32) On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

The One who 'Reject Allah' will take his gifts in this life... He will take the love of people..He will take self-confedence..He will be happy.....
But, He will not take anything in the last day..If he died with reject to Allah..He will go hell forever.

Why?
Because you walk in his earth,under his sky,breath his air( while you don't see it),enjoy sex with your wife..and your wife is created by him, You can use your mind to make your life easy and beauty....

After all this if this person don't know Allah..He must go hell!!
Because he didn't use his mind to know that there is one who is more great...There is one who can create what we see and what we don't see...There is one who creat all this huge world.

He didn't know his God in the first life, God will not know him in the last life (literal expression)..That is logic

How could god not know him if he created him? What if someone believes in God(s) but not in the one believe in? Why is Allah so selective? Why must one go to hell for not believing and what about the one who killed many innocent people?

We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people

By this it would seem that Allah condones murder and mischief. Is that correct? Why follow a God who would Condone such things?

Please don't take these questions as an attack or anything I'm genuinly curious for your view on these matters. Thanks.

 

[moegypt]

How could god not know him if he created him? What if someone believes in God(s) but not in the one believe in? Why is Allah so selective? Why must one go to hell for not believing and what about the one who killed many innocent people?



By this it would seem that Allah condones murder and mischief. Is that correct? Why follow a God who would Condone such things?

Please don't take these questions as an attack or anything I'm genuinly curious for your view on these matters. Thanks.

Firstly,

Sure God know everyone...It is an expression only.
If I give my friend gifts,then he said :you didn't give me anything.. I will say to him: I don't want to know a man like you.

In our islam:
One must believe that there is only one God.. Who creat the cat in Egypt and the cat in brazil...Sure one God.
(21:22.) If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute to Him!

What do you mean by "Selective"?

sura 25:

68. Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.
69. (But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-
70. Unless he repents, believes, and works righteous deeds, for Allah will change the evil of such persons into good, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful, 71. And whoever repents and does good has truly turned to Allah with an (acceptable) conversion

If God says that those people can't repent...They will more and more.

 

[MoonWater]

What do you mean by "Selective"?

Why does Allah only allow into heaven those who believe in him?

 

[moegypt]

Why must one go to hell for not believing and what about the one who killed many innocent people?

By this it would seem that Allah condones murder and mischief. Is that correct? Why follow a God who would Condone such things?

Please don't take these questions as an attack or anything I'm genuinly curious for your view on these matters. Thanks.

the one who don't believe in God will go hell because of this story:

I am a student in engneering faculty.. I have a test on 15-10-2007... They told me you will be asked "what is the industrial engineering?"so I know the question also.

What if I go to the faculty and take the paper then answered "I love soccer!".. I must fall in exam.
What if i went to the faculty of law? what if i go to soccer stadium in the same time of the exam?
Sure, I will fall.

We believe in air and we don't see it.. We must feel shame if we don't believe in God.




It is impossible that God condone killing innocent people.
Qur'an:
"(2:205.)When he turns his back, His aim everywhere is to spread mischief through the earth and destroy crops and cattle. But Allah loveth not mischief"

 

[MoonWater]

the one who don't believe in God will go hell because of this story:

I am a student in engneering faculty.. I have a test on 15-10-2007... They told me you will be asked "what is the industrial engineering?"so I know the question also.

What if I go to the faculty and take the paper then answered "I love soccer!".. I must fall in exam.
What if i went to the faculty of law? what if i go to soccer stadium in the same time of the exam?
Sure, I will fall.

We believe in air and we don't see it.. We must feel shame if we don't believe in God.

I'm afraid I don't see the connection between your exam and Allah's selectiveness. Also I don't feel shame towards the fact that I don't believe in Allah and I doubt there are many atheists who feel shame over not believing in God.

 

[moegypt]

Ok.. It is up to you my friend...

I will post more tomorrow because I will go bed... The time is 4:28 AM in Qatar now..

 

[ayani]

can i post something.... this is a part of what i believe, with regards to what may be ultimately true :

there is One God
union with Him is bliss
separation from Him the greatest hell
let us not hesitate to seek the roots of our hearts' longing and reflect on these things
God is with us, God is with us
He is woven into the threads that connect us in friendship and fellowship, and He is within us, too

 

[logician]

"You cannot disprove god."

What god, you need to be much more specific.

 

[BucephalusBB]

I'm afraid I don't see the connection between your exam and Allah's selectiveness. Also I don't feel shame towards the fact that I don't believe in Allah and I doubt there are many atheists who feel shame over not believing in God.

Atheists can't be ashamed as they don't believe it anyway. Besides, the refference with the wind is getting old and lame. I can feel the wind, see the wind and prove that the wind exists..