The Trump Lump: How do you feel?

[Penumbra]

And yet he is ubrer-wealthy.
Failure is a great teacher....provided one eventually graduates from it.

1991, 1992, 2004, and 2009. Doesn't seem to be improving much.

He even said himself that bankruptcy is a useful tool that he uses. Those four instances were all corporate bankruptcy, not personal bankruptcy, although one of them did come close to personal bankruptcy. The people that end up getting screwed in those bankruptcies are probably people other than himself, like creditors and possibly the employees. Not a great background for being president, when presidents can screw up the federal budget and then just walk away without personal financial damage from it.

 

[Revoltingest]

1991, 1992, 2004, and 2009. Doesn't seem to be improving much.

He even said himself that bankruptcy is a useful tool that he uses. Those four instances were all corporate bankruptcy, not personal bankruptcy, although one of them did come close to personal bankruptcy. The people that end up getting screwed in those bankruptcies are probably people other than himself, like creditors and possibly the employees. Not a great background for being president, when presidents can screw up the federal budget and then just walk away without personal financial damage from it.

This points both towards a keen understanding of economics, & a lack of ethics.
Note: Trump is not my choice for prez.

 

[Penumbra]

This points both towards a keen understanding of economics, & a lack of ethics.
Note: Trump is not my choice for prez.

There's a difference between economics and finance. And more narrowly, real estate finance.

It's not unlike the difference between strategy and tactics.

 

[Thief]

^ Bombast wholly devoid of content: Trump supported by Trump-light.

what?...I can't have a little fun here?

Reagan took office....the Dow Jones shot up 8000 points.
We became a debtor nation!
The recession destroyed the industrial town I live in.
I work 100miles from my home now.
see the family on the weekend.
THAT was good politics?

What followed wasn't any better.

It's getting worse.
Democracy can't fix it.

So maybe a business man is what we need.
Less politically correct.

 

[Revoltingest]

There's a difference between economics and finance. And more narrowly, real estate finance.

It's not unlike the difference between strategy and tactics.

I've no argument with these statements.
But I'll add that managing & investing in real estate is about far far more than just finance.

 

[Thief]

I've no argument with these statements.
But I'll add that managing & investing in real estate is about far far more than just finance.

I heard a story of Trump building a large structure...and then having a large flag strung across it....
It read....How's the view?

Apparently some argument had been about..... and the construction had been protested.
Trump's new building would destroy the 'view'....and neighboring property values would drop.

I bet they did.

What if Trump buys land....overseas?

 

[Revoltingest]

I heard a story of Trump building a large structure...and then having a large flag strung across it....
It read....How's the view?

Apparently some argument had been about..... and the construction had been protested.
Trump's new building would destroy the 'view'....and neighboring property values would drop.

I bet they did.

What if Trump buys land....overseas?

I don't understand the question.

 

[Thief]

I don't understand the question.

Money is power.
Give the man position to control money that is not HIS!

oh yeah!...whole new ball game!

 

[Revoltingest]

Money is power.
Give the man position to control money that is not HIS!
oh yeah!...whole new ball game!

If you're pointing out that presidents can be dangerous with our money, I agree.

 

[Underhill]

And yet he is ubrer-wealthy.
Failure is a great teacher....provided one eventually graduates from it.

Perhaps. But from what I have read about the guy his success has as much to do with fame as with business acumen.

Ironically his bankruptcies all stem from excessive debt.

 

[Revoltingest]

Perhaps. But from what I have read about the guy his success has as much to do with fame as with business acumen.
Ironically his bankruptcies all stem from excessive debt.

To have experienced the downside of excessive debt is edifying.
Understand that I'm not saying the guy is great...only that he's been thru the wringer, & is doing well now.
This is valuable in understanding the economy.
(But it's no guarantee he'd be a good prez. From what I see, I wouldn't vote for him.)

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

That's domestic policy.
How would he handle Iran, Israel, China, etc?

He'd make an offer they couldn't refuse....

^ Bombast wholly devoid of content: Trump supported by Trump-light.

what?...I can't have a little fun here?

What you apparently "can't" do is move beyond bombast and empty rhetoric.

Reagan took office....the Dow Jones shot up 8000 points.
We became a debtor nation!
The recession destroyed the industrial town I live in.
I work 100miles from my home now.
see the family on the weekend.
THAT was good politics?

What followed wasn't any better.

It's getting worse.
Democracy can't fix it.

So maybe a business man is what we need.
Less politically correct.

See what I mean?

Parenthetically, see here.

 

[Thief]

What you apparently "can't" do is move beyond bombast and empty rhetoric.

See what I mean?

and you don't see what I mean.....
Bombastic?....as in bomb the economy?

have you heard the news lately?

I agree with a coworker of years ago....
We don't have statesmen anymore.

He was right then....and now.

Rhetoric?....
If Trump can make his namesake work.....

 

[Thief]

If you're pointing out that presidents can be dangerous with our money, I agree.

They are also dangerous as most of their background is discovered too late!
Regan HATED unions.
as an actor the guild didn't like him.
he got threats....he learned to sleep with a gun.

then when he took office....he stepped on the air controllers....
REVENGE!

Bush invaded Iraq....because his daddy had problems there.
REVENGE!

Obama has been a disappointment.....generally speaking....

correct me on any point I have made so far....

But America is an economic entity.
I see no further need of politicians.
business is business.

 

[dust1n]

But America is an economic entity.
I see no further need of politicians.
business is business.

Um, but America is also a political entity...

 

[Underhill]

what?...I can't have a little fun here?

Reagan took office....the Dow Jones shot up 8000 points.
We became a debtor nation!
The recession destroyed the industrial town I live in.
I work 100miles from my home now.
see the family on the weekend.
THAT was good politics?

What followed wasn't any better.

It's getting worse.
Democracy can't fix it.

So maybe a business man is what we need.
Less politically correct.

My problem with this scenario is that business men are the ones who pushed for the policies that led us down those roads.

I see our current political crop as hand picked by business. So while they may not have business experience (most of them) we know who is pulling their strings. But, I think that is what is really drawing some voters to Trump and Bernie. Neither of them strike me as the type to take orders from anyone.

But Trump will simply act in his own best interest, which is essentially good for business. Bernie, on the other hand, is a bit of a wild card. I probably wouldn't vote for him except that I remind myself that congress will keep him from anything too dramatic.

 

[columbus]

Bernie, on the other hand, is a bit of a wild card. I probably wouldn't vote for him except that I remind myself that congress wi

You know what would get me to support Sanders?
A solid expectation that he would have majority support in Congress, minimum. Both Congress and the Senate would make me giddy with anticipation.
He would then promise not to waste time on bipartisanship and get on with keeping his campaign promises.
Tom

 

[Underhill]

You know what would get me to support Sanders?
A solid expectation that he would have majority support in Congress, minimum. Both Congress and the Senate would make me giddy with anticipation.
He would then promise not to waste time on bipartisanship and get on with keeping his campaign promises.
Tom

Sounds good. But that won't happen no matter who is on the Democratic ticket.

And I'm not convinced I want a Republican in there with both the house and senate in the R column.

 

[RedDragon94]

I think if any Republican candidate gets in we'll be in WWIII, and I don't want to be drafted.

 

[Thief]

sorry to break the line of thought....
but I can't let go of the report I saw about the Diebold company.
are they still making the voting machines?
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