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The Truth About Kundalini

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
A kundalini awakening has the power of a hundred thousand nuclear bombs, it is irreversible and in some cases you cannot even reincarnate normally after you complete it. If you mess around and awaken your kundalini prematurely, you may be paralyzed from its energy and be bedridden for months if you even manage to survive. You will feel as if the god of lightning has sent 100 bolts of lightning through your body. Those who are not ready will end up in a spiritual kundalini psychosis and may not eat or sleep for weeks. It can be like insanity or a drug experience that never ends. Many people who awaken it in modern society end up in mental hospitals because nobody understands kundalini or the spiritual way to deal with it. For some people Kundalini can even cause you to leave your physical body and be unable to go back inside of it. You may even feel as if you are being electrocuted as your soul is struggling to stay attached to your body. And may the gods help you if there are no magicians in the local area who understand how to help kundalini. This is why some people in the spiritual community have breakdowns, they see things they aren’t ready to see, and they go back to whatever other belief system they had before.

You should also not pay magicians on the internet to awaken your kundalini for you because it would happen naturally if you’re ready, and this is not something you want to rush if it is not meant to happen. Especially if your third eye is not open already. Kundalini does not harm you on the spiritual level, but you will become so spiritual that you will not be able to function in the physical reality due to the extreme energy flowing through you. You will be vulnerable and at best you will feel as if you are high on acid for your entire life. And most people will probably read this and think it’s schizophrenia or some other mental illness, but no. These people with kundalini go to the psychologists, psychiatrists and they never get diagnosed with anything because it does not manifest as illness. In fact, the people with kundalini see the world more clearly than us. They are just not in control of their spiritual experiences because the kundalini energy is so powerful.

Kundalini is not a bad thing you need to avoid, but think of it like the most powerful spiritual tool in existence. Your thoughts manifest instantly, you read people’s minds, you become an operating thetan instantly, and you see the truth of the universe that most people cannot mentally handle from the physical world. We know this on the soul level between our lifetimes, but from a lower mind POV this knowledge can drive people insane or send them down rabbit holes, or at the very least make the current lifetime feel juvenile or redundant.

When you hear people in the spiritual community speak about a kundalini awakening that felt like lightning or they claim to have had multiple, it was most likely a small amount of that energy that leaked from the coccyx of their spine. The full force of Kundalini is so great that even those small amounts are a life changing awakening for those that experience them. In those smaller, more controlled risings of energy, it feels like lava going up a person’s spine. Third eye opening also uses a small amount of kundalini with similar experiences and results. If a kundalini awakening did not completely shift your life and make you a stranger to yourself, it was probably just traces. There’s nothing wrong with that and that is a good thing for the person, but that’s not the same as a full awakening. For the average person, messing with this energy will do more harm than good.
I learned about Kundalini Yoga from a book I bought many years ago. At that time, I had recently graduated from university and was starting a job as a Development Engineer. I was 1000 miles from home and didn't know anyone, so I decided to spend my off time working days and rounding off my science education, by reading classical literature at night. During the process of the picking the top 100 classic books, I started to also pick up books about the arcane sciences; occult and mysticism. I had had many psychic experiences over my life and decided this was also a good time to learn about things, hard to prove, of which I had many experiences.

The book of Kundalini Yoga I bought suggested that Westerners were too tense, and that I would benefit by first using a meditation called Chaotic Medication, as a way to help me totally relax my mind, heart and body, before starting the Kundalini Yoga.

Chaotic Meditation invoked three 15 minute phases followed by a 15 minute meditative rest. The first 15 minute was designed to relax the body. This involved making up sort of a dance but without rhythm. It was supposed to be free style chaotic. It was very tiring and designed to break up patterns of body movement. The second 15 minutes was to relax the emotions. This was done with a chaotic emotional catharsis, where you would express all the emotions but again with no repetitive pattern. The last 15 was to relax the mind which was done by talking gibberish. You make sounds and make up words, that have no pattern. When the 45 minutes is done you body, heart and mind are calm. I did it for about 2 weeks, one hour per day and I was very relaxed and empty, and ready to begin.

Kundalini Yoga is based on the seven psychic centers connected to seven major nerve points; ganglions, along the spin. From the bottom up, the first is at the base of the spine, second is at the spleen, then the navel, the heart, the throat, the mind's eye or between the eyes, and seven is at the top of the head.

Kundalini is a breathing and visualizing yoga, where you start at the bottom center and work your way up 1 through 7, for seven cycles. As you inhale, you visualize energy entering the center of focus. As you exhale picture the energy going up your spine and out the top of your head; crown of the king. Then you go up one center and repeat, for seven cycles.

After about a week or two, I started to have some strange experiences. The first was, I was oversleeping one morning and I had a dream that my mother grab me by the ankle, to wake me, like she had done when I was a boy. This woke me and when I realized I was in another state, I snapped to it and made it to work on time.

After that when I did the yoga, I was starting to feel the centers resonate and energy come out of the top of my head during exhale. Then one day all the centers resonated and inflated, and then I felt my body inflate, and I started to feel like I was about to leave my body. This scared the crap out of me, because although I was hoping for something like this, I was not sure if I would be able to come back into my body. I snapped myself out the trance and stopped Kundalini. I decided to approach the occult and mysticism from a science POV; psychology. I was attracted to the Psychology of Carl Jung, since his thesis was the about the collective unconscious, based on collective human symbolism, much of which was connected to the world religions, alchemy and mysticism.

Later, I would develop my own type of self yoga, in induce the unconscious, so I would gain first hand data of the collective unconscious. This began with recording dreams and analyzing the symbolism. At times I would have dreams about symbols I never saw that I would read about in books, I never read before, the following day. Cause and affect was reversing; synchronicity. Kundalini Yoga gave me the hard first person experiences, that stimulated my interest, in how the brain's operating system works. It can be unsettling and can change your world view.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
And that's your prerogative.

But I think it's worth mentioning that practices such as meditation were once considered woo, and science today supports the physiological benefits of the practice.
I have never considered my type of meditation as woo, i.e., calming the mind and contemplating on some question. But I do consider the meditation without a purpose (Nirvikar Samadhi or whatever it is called) as woo. I was not taught by a guru, I devised my own type of meditation. I have never needed to meditate for more than 10 minutes. Hours of meditation are woo to me.
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
Yes that too, likely more common than outright cons. In the west atleast that does seem very common.

I can't comment on prevalence outside of my locality. I feel like you're right, and I can certainly agree the conditions in the west are fertile ground. But I can't say for sure.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
It is a great farce, a darling of fake gurus, self-delusion. You need to pay USD 500 to be instructed about it and made fool of.
Granted, I am still a novice meditator, having meditated now for a scant 49 years, but I have never had the tiniest rippling of so-called "Kundalini" effects. (I've had some pretty wild experiences, but never anything like the stuff written about Kundalini. For that level of "wow", one normally needs to add a tiny pinch of a psychedelic to connect Major Tom with ground control.)
 

dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
It is so in India too.

I was reading recently a little bit about dharma transmission ( not mystical ), and I'm wondering if when traditions moved to the west the transmission was interrupted over here. Lacking the dharma of their teacher, the lineage ceases to pass on the proper way-of-life, the moral code which would help to prevent charlatans and crooks masquerading as 'master'.

Of course there will always be crooks. But, here in the west, lacking proper monastary life and commitment and relaxing the ordination requirements greatly increases the odds that the western 'enlightened master' is lacking the dharma of their claimed lineage. Naturally, over time, in the west, there will be many many 'enlightened teachers' who are literally unable to transmit the dharma unless they lucky-lucky just happen to be a carbon-copy of the founder of the lineage. Also lacking the dharma, their behavior regarding seeking students and the motives for doing it will be less likely to be altruistic.

Below is a good example of what I'm reading about dharma transmission. Like I said, it's not woo-woo. My question is: I expect in India and China there are still monastaries with strict ordination requirements. If so, then the odds of finding a teacher who has received the dharma from their lineage will be much greater than in the west?

Shihō (嗣法)​
The third step is shihō, or denpo, dharma transmission. Dharma transmission is...​
...the recognition of the transmission that took place long before the ceremony itself. In fact, it has nothing to do at all with the paper, with philosophy or with mystical experience. The 24 hours of the daily life shared by teacher and student are the content of the transmission, and nothing else [...] In Antai-ji, when you receive shihō after, say, eight or nine years, you will have sat for 15,000 hours of zazen with your teacher. Not only that, you also shared many thousands of meals with him, worked together in the fields for thousands of hours, spread manure, cut grass and wood together, side by side, you sweat together in the summer and froze together in the winter. You cooked for him and filled the bath tub for him, you know how he likes the temperature both of his soup and the bathing water. You also shared many drinks, probably. In each of these activities, the dharma is transmitted. None should be left out.
 

ajay0

Well-Known Member
Pondering on a question is not meditation (dhyana), but manana (contemplation ).

Sravana ( listening or reading) , Manana ( contemplation ) and Nidhidhyasana ( application of what is understood) is said to comprise the 3 pillars of vedantic practices.


Nidhidhyasana encomposses dhyana (meditation) and samadhi ( mental stillness).

Patanjali has equated yoga and meditation with mental stillness stating thus, '“Yoga is the stilling or controlling of the modifications or fluctuations of the mind.”

This understanding can enable anyone to distinguish between contemplation and meditation, and anyone stating that both are the same in yogic philosophy can be understood to have flawed understanding and is ignorant of the subject matter.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Granted, I am still a novice meditator, having meditated now for a scant 49 years, but I have never had the tiniest rippling of so-called "Kundalini" effects. (I've had some pretty wild experiences, but never anything like the stuff written about Kundalini. For that level of "wow", one normally needs to add a tiny pinch of a psychedelic to connect Major Tom with ground control.)
I appreciate you speaking to your personal experiences, and I can say in my years of meditation, I've never experienced what Kundalini speaks of (nor do I have any interest in such an experience).

But something I won't do is call something a farce just because I haven't experienced it. I understand that my experiences are not the same as everyone else's; that I've experience things that others haven't, and others have experienced things that I haven't. I don't think anyone should dismiss the experiences of another just because they haven't experienced them.

If one is a skeptic to another's experiences or beliefs, I can tolerate someone broaching the subject as @YmirGF did, but I struggle to tolerate someone calling another's experiences or beliefs a farce, a hoax, or false with no way of demonstrating this objectively.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
I appreciate you speaking to your personal experiences, and I can say in my years of meditation, I've never experienced what Kundalini speaks of (nor do I have any interest in such an experience).

But something I won't do is call something a farce just because I haven't experienced it. I understand that my experiences are not the same as everyone else's; that I've experience things that others haven't, and others have experienced things that I haven't. I don't think anyone should dismiss the experiences of another just because they haven't experienced them.

If one is a skeptic to another's experiences or beliefs, I can tolerate someone broaching the subject as @YmirGF did, but I struggle to tolerate someone calling another's experiences or beliefs a farce, a hoax, or false with no way of demonstrating this objectively.
The real objectivity is based on first hand experiences of output from your own psyche. Because this comes from within, that makes it harder of others to be second person objective, which is now the gold standard. The platinum standard is more intriguing.

My first grouping of Psychic experiences was while in High School. It came from a weekend seminar by a group called Silva Mind Control. I am not sure if they are still around, since it was many decades ago. A friend's family was into this and they invited me to come along. The Instructor liked me decided to give me a free seminar, since I had no money but seem to have potential.

They had one session called cases, where you close you eyes and would be given a list of names, read by another person, of people who had physical or medical conditions. These were given by people from all over the world, who had a connection to the group or took the course. You would be asked to visualize and describe what you see for each name. It was amazing how the children in the program would get 8 of 10.

I was skeptical but when it was my turn I got 6 of 10. The most notable, was where I saw a woman laying on an operating table, but covered in a sheet. The person reading the cards, laughed and told me to pull back the sheet. I did and saw a pregnant woman. That was the answer. They asked if I had seen the cards? I said no. After that I could not just dismiss such things, where time and space were not connected. But I place it on the back burner for many years, until leaving college and deciding to broadening my education via the arcane sciences, such as Mysticism, pagan rituals, crystal ball, and Kundalini. Disposition and an open mind is part of making this happen easier.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I appreciate you speaking to your personal experiences, and I can say in my years of meditation, I've never experienced what Kundalini speaks of (nor do I have any interest in such an experience).
Ditto. To be fair, I have never attempted this kind of inner discovery, partly because what I read indicated that one really needed a guru/teacher to help one through this type of investigation. I could be fearmongering, but am certain I've read that this could be a dangerous activity for the untrained.
But something I won't do is call something a farce just because I haven't experienced it. I understand that my experiences are not the same as everyone else's; that I've experience things that others haven't, and others have experienced things that I haven't. I don't think anyone should dismiss the experiences of another just because they haven't experienced them.
Many of my own inner adventures are somewhat difficult to even relate in words, so have a built-in reason to be kept close and personal. For example. When I first got into recovery, it was my lawyer who told me not to bring up ANYTHING about my "transcendent experiences". He said, not only would they not have the foggiest idea what I was talking about, but also the counsellors were not qualified to speak on such matters, so it was best to say nothing. I never regretted that decision, I might add, and doing so did not affect the quality of my treatment.
If one is a skeptic to another's experiences or beliefs, I can tolerate someone broaching the subject as @YmirGF did, but I struggle to tolerate someone calling another's experiences or beliefs a farce, a hoax, or false with no way of demonstrating this objectively.
Thanks. I'd never say, categorically, that such experiences are who-haw, but have simply seen no evidence in my own experience. Then again, I wasn't looking for this type of experience.
 
A kundalini awakening has the power of a hundred thousand nuclear bombs, it is irreversible and in some cases you cannot even reincarnate normally after you complete it. If you mess around and awaken your kundalini prematurely, you may be paralyzed from its energy and be bedridden for months if you even manage to survive. You will feel as if the god of lightning has sent 100 bolts of lightning through your body. Those who are not ready will end up in a spiritual kundalini psychosis and may not eat or sleep for weeks. It can be like insanity or a drug experience that never ends. Many people who awaken it in modern society end up in mental hospitals because nobody understands kundalini or the spiritual way to deal with it. For some people Kundalini can even cause you to leave your physical body and be unable to go back inside of it. You may even feel as if you are being electrocuted as your soul is struggling to stay attached to your body. And may the gods help you if there are no magicians in the local area who understand how to help kundalini. This is why some people in the spiritual community have breakdowns, they see things they aren’t ready to see, and they go back to whatever other belief system they had before.

You should also not pay magicians on the internet to awaken your kundalini for you because it would happen naturally if you’re ready, and this is not something you want to rush if it is not meant to happen. Especially if your third eye is not open already. Kundalini does not harm you on the spiritual level, but you will become so spiritual that you will not be able to function in the physical reality due to the extreme energy flowing through you. You will be vulnerable and at best you will feel as if you are high on acid for your entire life. And most people will probably read this and think it’s schizophrenia or some other mental illness, but no. These people with kundalini go to the psychologists, psychiatrists and they never get diagnosed with anything because it does not manifest as illness. In fact, the people with kundalini see the world more clearly than us. They are just not in control of their spiritual experiences because the kundalini energy is so powerful.

Kundalini is not a bad thing you need to avoid, but think of it like the most powerful spiritual tool in existence. Your thoughts manifest instantly, you read people’s minds, you become an operating thetan instantly, and you see the truth of the universe that most people cannot mentally handle from the physical world. We know this on the soul level between our lifetimes, but from a lower mind POV this knowledge can drive people insane or send them down rabbit holes, or at the very least make the current lifetime feel juvenile or redundant.

When you hear people in the spiritual community speak about a kundalini awakening that felt like lightning or they claim to have had multiple, it was most likely a small amount of that energy that leaked from the coccyx of their spine. The full force of Kundalini is so great that even those small amounts are a life changing awakening for those that experience them. In those smaller, more controlled risings of energy, it feels like lava going up a person’s spine. Third eye opening also uses a small amount of kundalini with similar experiences and results. If a kundalini awakening did not completely shift your life and make you a stranger to yourself, it was probably just traces. There’s nothing wrong with that and that is a good thing for the person, but that’s not the same as a full awakening. For the average person, messing with this energy will do more harm than good.
In my view, there’s nothing to be said about kundalini. If the experience is meant to be, it will happen, if not, it won’t. We read this and that. It is theory. What about the actuality?

Kundalini is simply the kinetic aspect of consciousness, Shakti or Divine Mother. Once we ask Ramana’s question, ‘who am I’, our yearning can invoke magnetism within, the divine energy, which is called kundalini, chi or Holy Spirit. There is nothing to fear, in fact, fear is a blockage, which impedes the flow.

It is an involved subject.
 
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