The Truth About Melchizedek

[Ben Masada]

The Truth About Melchizedek

Here is a column which I consider will crack under the building of Christianity. Who was Melchizedek? This man was a pagan Canaanite king, who happened to be the king of Salem, ancient name for Jerusalem.

Abram had just returned from a battle with five kings, and, on his way to Betshevah, he paused in Jerusalem for a repast. He and his men were tired and weary of the military campain. Melchizedek, afraid perhaps that Abram would take on him too and conquer Jerusalem out of his hands, immediately brought forth bread and wine to him and his troops. For Abram, it was a relieve. He didn't have to fight another king.

Now, please, I must remind you that I am reading from the originals in Hebrew and not from the Gentile adulterated version of the KJV. Why would Melchizedek prefer to feed Abram and his army instead of fighting him? Because he, Abram, and not Melchizedek was the priest of God most High, whose seed would be of a nation of priests and kings. (Exo. 19:6; Isa. 61:6)

Then, as Melchizedek served the food and drink, he blessed Abram. Please focus on how he blessed Abram. "Blessed be Abram of God Most High." It means that Melchizedek would recongnize that Abram was the one Priest of God the Most High. Creator of the universe." Then, for all the bread and wine, and that blessing of recognition of who Abram really was, Abram shared with him a tenth of the spoils taken from the kings in battle.

Now, let us check Psalm 110:4, which in the KJV says, "The Lord has sworn and will not repent, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This is a Christian gloss plagiarized by Paul and grossly forged by the Church in the 4th Century under the excuse of pious forgery.

Here is what Psalm 110:4 says in the originals in Hebrew: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, you are a priest forever; a rightful king by My decree." As you can see, it has nothing to do with king Melchizedek, king of Salem, but rather to David in the type level of interpretation, which points to the archetype level of Israel, the seed of Abraham as a nation of priests and kings. (Exo. 19:6; Isa. 61:6) Obviously, only the High Priest of the Most High would produce a generation of prists and kings throgh Israel.
Ben

 

[Thesavorofpan]

The Truth About Melchizedek

Here is a column which I consider will crack under the building of Christianity. Who was Melchizedek? This man was a pagan Canaanite king, who happened to be the king of Salem, ancient name for Jerusalem.

Abram had just returned from a battle with five kings, and, on his way to Betshevah, he paused in Jerusalem for a repast. He and his men were tired and weary of the military campain. Melchizedek, afraid perhaps that Abram would take on him too and conquer Jerusalem out of his hands, immediately brought forth bread and wine to him and his troops. For Abram, it was a relieve. He didn't have to fight another king.

Now, please, I must remind you that I am reading from the originals in Hebrew and not from the Gentile adulterated version of the KJV. Why would Melchizedek prefer to feed Abram and his army instead of fighting him? Because he, Abram, and not Melchizedek was the priest of God most High, whose seed would be of a nation of priests and kings. (Exo. 19:6; Isa. 61:6)

Then, as Melchizedek served the food and drink, he blessed Abram. Please focus on how he blessed Abram. "Blessed be Abram of God Most High." It means that Melchizedek would recongnize that Abram was the one Priest of God the Most High. Creator of the universe." Then, for all the bread and wine, and that blessing of recognition of who Abram really was, Abram shared with him a tenth of the spoils taken from the kings in battle.

Now, let us check Psalm 110:4, which in the KJV says, "The Lord has sworn and will not repent, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This is a Christian gloss plagiarized by Paul and grossly forged by the Church in the 4th Century under the excuse of pious forgery.

Here is what Psalm 110:4 says in the originals in Hebrew: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, you are a priest forever; a rightful king by My decree." As you can see, it has nothing to do with king Melchizedek, king of Salem, but rather to David in the type level of interpretation, which points to the archetype level of Israel, the seed of Abraham as a nation of priests and kings. (Exo. 19:6; Isa. 61:6) Obviously, only the High Priest of the Most High would produce a generation of prists and kings throgh Israel.
Ben

And here I thought he was a rightious King because he didn't mess with Abram. Alost I though Melchizedek was the max persona for the justice Arcane in Persona 3.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

The Truth About Melchizedek

Here is a column which I consider will crack under the building of Christianity. Who was Melchizedek? This man was a pagan Canaanite king, who happened to be the king of Salem, ancient name for Jerusalem.

Abram had just returned from a battle with five kings, and, on his way to Betshevah, he paused in Jerusalem for a repast. He and his men were tired and weary of the military campain. Melchizedek, afraid perhaps that Abram would take on him too and conquer Jerusalem out of his hands, immediately brought forth bread and wine to him and his troops. For Abram, it was a relieve. He didn't have to fight another king.

Now, please, I must remind you that I am reading from the originals in Hebrew and not from the Gentile adulterated version of the KJV. Why would Melchizedek prefer to feed Abram and his army instead of fighting him? Because he, Abram, and not Melchizedek was the priest of God most High, whose seed would be of a nation of priests and kings. (Exo. 19:6; Isa. 61:6)

Then, as Melchizedek served the food and drink, he blessed Abram. Please focus on how he blessed Abram. "Blessed be Abram of God Most High." It means that Melchizedek would recongnize that Abram was the one Priest of God the Most High. Creator of the universe." Then, for all the bread and wine, and that blessing of recognition of who Abram really was, Abram shared with him a tenth of the spoils taken from the kings in battle.

Now, let us check Psalm 110:4, which in the KJV says, "The Lord has sworn and will not repent, you are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek." This is a Christian gloss plagiarized by Paul and grossly forged by the Church in the 4th Century under the excuse of pious forgery.

Here is what Psalm 110:4 says in the originals in Hebrew: "The Lord has sworn and will not relent, you are a priest forever; a rightful king by My decree." As you can see, it has nothing to do with king Melchizedek, king of Salem, but rather to David in the type level of interpretation, which points to the archetype level of Israel, the seed of Abraham as a nation of priests and kings. (Exo. 19:6; Isa. 61:6) Obviously, only the High Priest of the Most High would produce a generation of prists and kings throgh Israel.
Ben

Don't some Jews believe Melchizedek was actually Shem though, son of Noah? If this is true, why would he be Pagan?

 

[dmgdnooc]

Seems strange that you should say that a priest of the Most High G-d was a 'pagan'.
Do you mean that 'the Most High G-d' is not the G-d of Abraham?
　
Melchizedek pronounced a holy blessing upon Abram, seems a strange thing to do for one whom he feared.
And what had he really to fear?
Nothing from Abram personally, and though there had been fierce fighting at his very doorstep, in Shaveh, yet Melchizedek and his people were locked up safe in their fortress city, secured from the ravages of the four kings.
Apart from his exalted status and his Most High protector, those heights and stout walls were his insurance against foul play.
　
The four kings had captured all the food and goods, which would have included herd animals, from the fertile plain of Sodom and the wreck of the forces brought against them.
Abram had taken all that from the four kings and was not short of a bite to eat for himself or his men, it is even mentioned that the young men had already eaten.
Abram did not pause to meet Melchizedek because of hunger.
The sense I take from the food; and it was not mere food it was 'bread and wine', and its close association with the mention of Melchizedek's priesthood and the priestly office of imparting the blessing; is that a fellowship meal is being described.
　
Now there does seem to be a threat to Abram implicit in the passage; it comes from the king of Sodom, not Melchizedek.
Sodom went out at the first to meet Abram and his confederates, and envy and avarice were in Sodom's heart.
Melchizedek then appears to mediate the brewing dispute; bringing forth bread and wine, as a fellowship meal, he performed his priestly duty of binding the community in peace.
He pronounced G-d's support (and, by implication, his own support) for Abram and gave G-d the glory for Abram's success.
Abram acknowledged the validity of Melchizedek's office and the truth of his blessing and foreswore personal profit from the spilt blood.
Melchizedek handled the affair perfectly, he took the lead, and further bloodshed was avoided.
And the greatness of Abram's character was given opportunity to grow; it is not coincidence that the blessing of chapter 15 follows close on this episode.
　
Hebrews notes that 'without contradiction the less is blessed of the better' and I can't recall, from Scripture, where this maxim is contradicted.
Perhaps you can direct me to a passage that describes a lesser priest blessing a greater priest, a son his father, or similar.
　
Abram gave Melchizedek 'tithes' of all, you know that this particular word has a religious significance and is used to describe the 'tithes' and offerings of Israel.
Abram accepted Melchizedek's blessing and gave him 'tithes' in recognition of the priestly authority invested in, and the evident wisdom of, Melchizedek.
　
Maybe you would care to comment on this before I address Psalm 110.
　

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

Excuse me, but what are you talking about?

Read all of Hebrews. It mentions constantly and clearly that Melchizedek was made a priest forever by God.
It clearly states he was better than Abraham as, "The greater blessed" the less. Melchizedek was a high priest. A great high priest of God. Hebrews even compares him to Jesus saying BOTH were made a high priest forever. My personal beliefs on some research, generally from Edgar Cayce and Hebrews, is that he was a priest from person, and was a incarnation of Jesus Christ.

 

[Ben Masada]

And here I thought he was a rightious King because he didn't mess with Abram. Alost I though Melchizedek was the max persona for the justice Arcane in Persona 3.

Yes, and he didn't mess with Abram for two reasons: First, because he was afraid to lose Jerusalem; and second, because he acknowledged in Abram the Priest of God, the Most High. And then, a pagan king, the max persona for the justice Arcane in Persona 3? Not even in his dreams!

 

[Ben Masada]

Excuse me, but what are you talking about?

Read all of Hebrews. It mentions constantly and clearly that Melchizedek was made a priest forever by God.
It clearly states he was better than Abraham as, "The greater blessed" the less. Melchizedek was a high priest. A great high priest of God. Hebrews even compares him to Jesus saying BOTH were made a high priest forever. My personal beliefs on some research, generally from Edgar Cayce and Hebrews, is that he was a priest from person, and was a incarnation of Jesus Christ.

But of course! It had to be Paul. This man had an agenda: To replace Judaism with his Pauline Christianity. Hence, his famous policy of Replacement Theology. But his character has been revealed. If you read Galatians 1:6-19, you will understand that he was ready to curse even an angel who came down from heaven with a gospel different from his. Then, he made up all those ideas about Melchizedek in his Letter to the Hebrews. That he was an incarnation of Jesus! I wonder why Jesus never mentioned such a character.

 

[Ben Masada]

Seems strange that you should say that a priest of the Most High G-d was a 'pagan'.

He was not. The priest of the Most High God was Abraham. Melchizedek was a pagan priest. You are being deceived by the translator.

Do you mean that 'the Most High G-d' is not the G-d of Abraham?

No, the Most High God was the God of Abraham indeed.
　

Melchizedek pronounced a holy blessing upon Abram, seems a strange thing to do for one whom he feared.

On the contrary. He blessed Abraham in order to be blessed with peace in return. Aren't blessed those who bless Israel, the seed of Abraham? There!

And what had he really to fear?

At the end of World War II, Paton suggested to continue with the war and destroy Russia too, to take advantage of the strenth of America and the weakness of Russia. That's what Melchizedek feared. The strength of Abram's armies camped at the threshold of Jerusalem.

Nothing from Abram personally, and though there had been fierce fighting at his very doorstep, in Shaveh, yet Melchizedek and his people were locked up safe in their fortress city, secured from the ravages of the four kings.

That's exactly the point. In the 1967 war Golda Meier asked the Kink of Jordan not to join the enemy armies and Jordan would be left alone. As he denied her request, Jordan lost all of Jerusalem as Israel came out victorious against six other countries. Since Melchizedek did not interfere, Abram respected its borders and was blessed in the name of his God and not in the gods of Melchizedek.

Apart from his exalted status and his Most High protector, those heights and stout walls were his insurance against foul play.

Not for the men of Abraham who were already inside.

Abram had taken all that from the four kings and was not short of a bite to eat for himself or his men, it is even mentioned that the young men had already eaten.

It doesn't matter. The act would solifify the friendship.

Abram did not pause to meet Melchizedek because of hunger.

And I agree with you. It means there was another agenda in Abram's mind.

The sense I take from the food; and it was not mere food it was 'bread and wine', and its close association with the mention of Melchizedek's priesthood and the priestly office of imparting the blessing; is that a fellowship meal is being described.

Finally I agree with you. Melchizedek wanted to commemorate Abram's victory. One thing I tell you, if Abram was being chased by the four kings, Melchizedek would finish with him and celebrate with the other four kings.
　

Now there does seem to be a threat to Abram implicit in the passage; it comes from the king of Sodom, not Melchizedek.

Not threat but humble request. Please, keep the spoils but return my men. And Abram gave him back all: Men and spoils.

Sodom went out at the first to meet Abram and his confederates, and envy and avarice were in Sodom's heart.

I don't think so. Read Genesis 14:21.

Melchizedek then appears to mediate the brewing dispute; bringing forth bread and wine, as a fellowship meal, he performed his priestly duty of binding the community in peace.

You are mistaken again. Melchizedek's gift of bread and wine had nothing to do with the king of Sodom. It happened before the king of Sodom asked for his men. (Gen. 14:18)
　

Hebrews notes that 'without contradiction the less is blessed of the better' and I can't recall, from Scripture, where this maxim is contradicted.

Perhaps you can direct me to a passage that describes a lesser priest blessing a greater priest, a son his father, or similar.

Oh, there are many. Not only in the Bible but in real life today. Go out in the street and give a thousand dollar bill to a beggar and he will bless you with all the blessings in the sky and on earth. How many times was Jesus blessed after performing a miracle? It is exactly the opposite of what you think.
　

Abram gave Melchizedek 'tithes' of all, you know that this particular word has a religious significance and is used to describe the 'tithes' and offerings of Israel.

This particular word - tithe - acquired religious significance as religious people plagiarized from what Abram did to establish the tithe. The third part Abram gave was a random sum.

Abram accepted Melchizedek's blessing and gave him 'tithes' in recognition of the priestly authority invested in, and the evident wisdom of, Melchizedek.

Now, can you see how superior was Abram over Melchizedek? Abram gave a third of all the spoils and the inferior Melchizedek blessed the superior Abram. Now, bring Psalm 110:1-4 for the discussion. I can't wait. What is it that you misunderstand in that Psalm of David?

 

[Ben Masada]

Don't some Jews believe Melchizedek was actually Shem though, son of Noah? If this is true, why would he be Pagan?

All Canaanites were pagans when Abram arrived in Canaan.

 

[Ben Masada]

Excuse me, but what are you talking about?

Read all of Hebrews. It mentions constantly and clearly that Melchizedek was made a priest forever by God.
It clearly states he was better than Abraham as, "The greater blessed" the less. Melchizedek was a high priest. A great high priest of God. Hebrews even compares him to Jesus saying BOTH were made a high priest forever. My personal beliefs on some research, generally from Edgar Cayce and Hebrews, is that he was a priest from person, and was a incarnation of Jesus Christ.

If you are referring to the Pauline Letter to the Hebrews, it deserves no credit. The whole thing is a compendium of anti-Jewish writings to promote his policy of Replacement Theology.

 

[dmgdnooc]

Ben
I can find no support, in either Jewish or Christian sources, for your assertion that Melchizedek was not a priest of the Most High G-d.
If I am being deceived into thinking that he was a Priest of the Most High G-d, then it is the result of an extensive, continuing and age old conspiracy (that predates Christianity) and involves every branch of scholarship while also crossing all cultural boundaries.
Show me your source.
　
And again I ask for your source that the less may bless the better.
The befuddled thinking of guys and gals in modern day Israel is not, of necessity, a reflection of Abram's thinking.
So please refer to Scripture, or at the least to accepted scholarship, to elucidate the scripture.

nooc

 

[not yet now]

rightful king in hebrew is .....
H4442
מלכּי־צדק
malkı̂y-tsedeq
mal-kee-tseh'-dek
From H4428 and H6664; king of right; Malki-Tsedek, an early king in Palestine: - Melchizedek.
so the text does say melchiszedek..... in hebrew...

and yes he was not hebrew
as job was not a hebrew...
as the king of persia cyrus was not a hebrew
but is spoken of highly in isaiah

another thing said about mel
in the bible
that he was without father and mother
and end of days...

now as to being king of salem
and a canannite..
from a commentary by gill
this
Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine,.... Both the Targums of Jonathan and Jerusalem say, this is Shem the son of Noah, and which is the sense of the Jewish writers in general, and of many Christian ones; but, though it is highly probable he was living at this time, yet it is not easy to account for it why his name should be changed, or that he should reign in a country in the possession of his brother's son; or that he should meet Abram, and congratulate him on the slaughter of one of his own descendants, as Chedorlaomer was; and especially it cannot be said of him that he was without father or mother, or that those were not known, since Shem's parentage and pedigree are famous enough; some have thought him to be more than a mere man, even the Son of God himself, but he is manifestly distinguished from him in Heb_7:3; he seems to be what Josephus (k) says he was, a Canaanitish prince, a pious and religious man, eminently raised up by God, and whose genealogy was kept a secret, that he might be in this as in other things a type of Christ; but that he should be Canaan himself, as Dr. Clayton (l) thinks, a brother of Metsir, or Mizraim, the second son of Ham, being by Sanchoniatho called Sedec, is not likely, since he was cursed by Noah. Salem, of which he was king, is by the above Targums said to be Jerusalem, and which is the opinion of many writers, Jewish and Christian, and of which opinion I myself was formerly; see Gill on Heb_7:1; Jerusalem being plainly called Salem, Psa_76:2, but it seems clear from hence that it must be near to Sodom, and lay in the way between Damascus and Sodom; whereas Jerusalem was in a contrary situation, and lay nearly forty miles from Sodom; for Josephus says (m), the lake Asphaltites, where Sodom once stood, was three hundred furlongs from Jerusalem, which is about thirty eight miles; and Jerom relates (n), that Salem was a town near Scythopolis, which was so called in his times, and where was showed the palace of Melchizedek, which, by the largeness of the ruins, appeared to have been very magnificent, and takes it to be the same place with Shalem in Gen_33:18; and Salim, near to which John was baptizing, Joh_3:23, this great man "brought forth bread and wine"; not as a priest for an offering, but as a munificent king, to refresh Abram and his weary troops, and which the king of Sodom could not do, because the victuals of that place were carried off by the four kings, Gen_14:11; and as Abram had the land of Canaan by promise, and now had made conquest in it over the invaders of it, Melchizedek, sensible of his right unto it, brings forth the best fruits of it, and, as Dr. Lightfoot observes (o), tenders them to him as "livery and seisin" of it: in this Melchizedek was a type of Christ, who comforts and refreshes his hungry and weary people with himself, the bread of life, and with the wine of his love, as well as his name and title agree with him, who is a righteous King and Prince of Peace, Jer_23:5

 

[Rakhel]

simply because no parents are mentioned does not mean he had none. They just weren't important to the storyline.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Yes, and he didn't mess with Abram for two reasons: First, because he was afraid to lose Jerusalem; and second, because he acknowledged in Abram the Priest of God, the Most High. And then, a pagan king, the max persona for the justice Arcane in Persona 3? Not even in his dreams!

I'm sorry, but he is...I add that Persona 3 part as a joke.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Well anyway, if anyone wants my take on Melchizzedek, if he existed, yes he probably was a Pagan Priest. It says he was a Priest of "God most High", which in Hebrew is El Elyon. Elyon was also the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon.

 

[Ben Masada]

Well anyway, if anyone wants my take on Melchizzedek, if he existed, yes he probably was a Pagan Priest. It says he was a Priest of "God most High", which in Hebrew is El Elyon. Elyon was also the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon.

IMO, you are very close to the truth. That could be the reason why Paul iterpolated Melchizedek as a priest of the God of Abraham to enhance Jesus as of the order of a superior pristhood than the Levite one. Hence, Replacement Theology, whose doctrine he would not miss a chance to promote it.

 

[Ben Masada]

I'm sorry, but he is...I add that Persona 3 part as a joke.

Oh! My bad. I thought you had already made of him the third person of the Trinity.

 

[Ben Masada]

simply because no parents are mentioned does not mean he had none. They just weren't important to the storyline.

Behold! For I can't agree with you more.

 

[doppelganger]

One correction and one question.

It's very unlikely that Paul wrote Hebrews.

Do you have a source for the version of Psalm 110:4 that you are calling the original Hebrew that does not contain the name of Melchizedek?

מַלְכִּי־צֶדֶק

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well anyway, if anyone wants my take on Melchizzedek, if he existed, yes he probably was a Pagan Priest. It says he was a Priest of "God most High", which in Hebrew is El Elyon. Elyon was also the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon.

Was El-Elyon the chief god of the Canaanite pantheon?