falvlun said:
I wasn't sure if this was in response to me or not, but it was an interesting statement, so I'll respond to it anyway.
It was in response to your previous reply. I forgot to quote bits of your post. :sorry1:
falvlun said:
I guess I see truth, or at least Truth, to essentially be facts. Truth, capital T, would have to be true for everyone in order to be true.
What you are describing as truth, I would designate as opinion.
Yes, because that's all truth is; they are opinion, belief, faith, etc.
You should not confused the "truth" to "what is true". They are totally different too.
I will concede that sometimes "truth" can coincide with "fact"; in this case, facts have validated the truth.
Again, using the court procedure example again.
When a witness or defendant or whatever give his version of the "truth", if he is not lying, then he can only go by what he see, hear, feel and think of what he had witnessed. That's his "truth". Another person may see everything differently from his perspective; and that would be his truth.
Do you see what I mean, falvlun?
Their words are not judged as fact, and not by what they say to be necessarily "true", unless it can be validated, like many other witnesses or video footage of the crime, DNA, etc.
But as I said before, even DNA and video footage, expert witnesses, etc, can only each provide one aspect of what can take place at the crime scene. The culmination of all the witnesses and evidences would hopefully prove the innocence or guilt of a person.
Each religion can have its own truth; and this truth is only based on what the people believe in and they have faith of what they believe in to be true.
That's all the truth really is. It doesn't necessarily rely on evidences or proof.
Each religion would use the capital T for their Truth. So which of their "Truth" is right.
I think your idea of the "Truth" is flawed because of its simplistic in a complex real world. Everything is not black-and-white, as theists and atheists tend to think.
Just how many people does make it true for "everyone"? Two people? 10? A thousand? Million? Billion?
There are over a billion Christians who believed that Jesus is the saviour.
And there are over a billion Muslims who believed that Muhammad is their prophet?
But is that really "everyone" and is what they believe in is the Truth? Can either side prove it? And if it is true for one or the other, then why are some who don't believe them?
No, falvlun. These people can have their so-called "truth". I personally preferred some evidences to prove or disprove these so-called "truths", before I can accept anything.