Sure has,direct it at Israel,I mean being an antisemetic party and all.
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The UK is not as bad as Venezuela
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Sure has,direct it at Israel,I mean being an antisemetic party and all.
That's labours problem,they have too few good voices.
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
She's not a Remainer any more. Like others, she jumped on the '**** the EU' bandwagon the moment the wind shifted. To her credit though, she is representing how her constituents voted - unlike the squalid Tory ****s up here who voted Leave even though their constituents didn't - so fair play to her. I'll analyse bits of her speech.
"Life post Brexit is not a choice between nirvana and a living hell. Some changes will be better, some worse, and much will pass unnoticed. We either work to make the best of it or simply damn it for not being perfect". - This bit sounds unreasonable until you remember the Leave campaign promised us the Moon. They promised we'd 'take back control' we already had; they promised £350mn a week for the NHS which was disowned as "a mistake" not even 24 hours after the result was finalised; we were promised the UK would be outward looking and progressive but hate crimes against foreigners in England & Wales skyrocketed after the result; we were promised that we'd get the best trade deals with other countries but the likes of Japan are prioritising trade with the EU over us; we were promised that a vote to Leave was not a vote to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union yet now the Tories are taking liberties, saying the result was just that even though neither the SM or the CU were on the ballot paper. We were promised that the interests of all parts of the UK would be represented but
"This calls honest endeavour and compromise from all sides." - Except the Leave argument was ran on nothing but lies, misconceptions and prejudices so that rules out honest endeavour. As far as compromise goes, I see no reason to compromise with people who can't decide if they're interested in defending democracy or silencing dissenting voices.
"Whatever side of the debate you fall on, if you honestly accept the result of the will of the British people then you are honour-bound to see it through and make the best of it." - I accept that the ballot happened and that the majority of those who did/could vote was a majority for Leave. What I don't accept is the notion that it was the "will of the British people". It was the will of a gerrymandered electorate comprising mostly of people from England and Wales - these two are not the sum of Britain. British people living in the EU didn't get a vote, British people aged 16-17 didn't get a vote, people who became British nationals after moving here didn't get a vote. The notion that this was the will of most British people is simply absurd.
"Some suggest the general election on the eighth of June has changed everything. Well like it or not it has led to the second coalition of sorts in seven years: a confidency & supply agreement between two parties, both of whom promised to deliver Brexit." - So the fact the Tories lost the last election and had to buy their way back into power in no way invalidates the result of an advisory referendum offered by the previous (illegal) government? What kind of democracy are we in where ballots only change things on a selective basis; and how committed to preserving democracy are Brexiteers and Remain-turned-Leavers if they believe an advisory referendum holds more weight than a full-blown election?
"... I told Don Valley voters when Britain leaves the EU I will work for a deal that works for Doncaster. That means easy trade, protecting worker's rights and tough immigration controls with strong borders." - I'd be interested to hear how she intends to achieve any of this while she's on the back benches of the 'Opposition'. The saddest part is easy trade will be tougher outside of the EU than within because the Single Market will now become our competition, not our partners. We're a smaller, weaker economy than it so we're less attractive an opportunity for investment. "Tough immigration controls with strong borders" could have been achieved while we were EU members but for various reasons, consecutive governments let the Borders Agency suffer a shortfall in funding. That's not the EU's fault. I'm not really sure how Flint's determination to "protecting worker's rights" fits with the fact she voted in favour of a bill that will remove any kind of Parliamentary scrutiny from the Tories adding, changing or chucking whatever laws they want.
" I said I don't support a second referendum..." - Yet here she is accepting the result of a second EU referendum.
Flint is right to be worried about the Government's lack of openness about this bill because the Tories are not to be trusted. They never govern in the national interest; only in the corporate & affluent interest. It's never wise to grant a politician sweeping, scopeless powers to fix a problem they created.
Star Wars should have taught us this by now! Heh
Notanumber
A Free Man
To some people the glass is half-empty whereas us Brexiteers prefer to believe it is half-full.
I heard that Dr Fox is beavering away to get us some good trade deals when we finally break free of the EU shackles.
I heard that Dr Fox is beavering away to get us some good trade deals when we finally break free of the EU shackles.
She's not a Remainer any more. Like others, she jumped on the '**** the EU' bandwagon the moment the wind shifted. To her credit though, she is representing how her constituents voted - unlike the squalid Tory ****s up here who voted Leave even though their constituents didn't - so fair play to her. I'll analyse bits of her speech.
"Life post Brexit is not a choice between nirvana and a living hell. Some changes will be better, some worse, and much will pass unnoticed. We either work to make the best of it or simply damn it for not being perfect". - This bit sounds unreasonable until you remember the Leave campaign promised us the Moon. They promised we'd 'take back control' we already had; they promised £350mn a week for the NHS which was disowned as "a mistake" not even 24 hours after the result was finalised; we were promised the UK would be outward looking and progressive but hate crimes against foreigners in England & Wales skyrocketed after the result; we were promised that we'd get the best trade deals with other countries but the likes of Japan are prioritising trade with the EU over us; we were promised that a vote to Leave was not a vote to leave the Single Market or the Customs Union yet now the Tories are taking liberties, saying the result was just that even though neither the SM or the CU were on the ballot paper. We were promised that the interests of all parts of the UK would be represented butThatcher's new corpseMay has stopped talking with the Scottish Government so we can't tell them what our interests are. And finally, we were promised it would be easy. But to date none of the Tories know what they're doing and their negotiation strategy consists of saying 'We want...' and, when faced with denial, simply say louder and more shrilly 'We want...'.
"This calls honest endeavour and compromise from all sides." - Except the Leave argument was ran on nothing but lies, misconceptions and prejudices so that rules out honest endeavour. As far as compromise goes, I see no reason to compromise with people who can't decide if they're interested in defending democracy or silencing dissenting voices.
"Whatever side of the debate you fall on, if you honestly accept the result of the will of the British people then you are honour-bound to see it through and make the best of it." - I accept that the ballot happened and that the majority of those who did/could vote was a majority for Leave. What I don't accept is the notion that it was the "will of the British people". It was the will of a gerrymandered electorate comprising mostly of people from England and Wales - these two are not the sum of Britain. British people living in the EU didn't get a vote, British people aged 16-17 didn't get a vote, people who became British nationals after moving here didn't get a vote. The notion that this was the will of most British people is simply absurd.
"Some suggest the general election on the eighth of June has changed everything. Well like it or not it has led to the second coalition of sorts in seven years: a confidency & supply agreement between two parties, both of whom promised to deliver Brexit." - So the fact the Tories lost the last election and had to buy their way back into power in no way invalidates the result of an advisory referendum offered by the previous (illegal) government? What kind of democracy are we in where ballots only change things on a selective basis; and how committed to preserving democracy are Brexiteers and Remain-turned-Leavers if they believe an advisory referendum holds more weight than a full-blown election?
"... I told Don Valley voters when Britain leaves the EU I will work for a deal that works for Doncaster. That means easy trade, protecting worker's rights and tough immigration controls with strong borders." - I'd be interested to hear how she intends to achieve any of this while she's on the back benches of the 'Opposition'. The saddest part is easy trade will be tougher outside of the EU than within because the Single Market will now become our competition, not our partners. We're a smaller, weaker economy than it so we're less attractive an opportunity for investment. "Tough immigration controls with strong borders" could have been achieved while we were EU members but for various reasons, consecutive governments let the Borders Agency suffer a shortfall in funding. That's not the EU's fault. I'm not really sure how Flint's determination to "protecting worker's rights" fits with the fact she voted in favour of a bill that will remove any kind of Parliamentary scrutiny from the Tories adding, changing or chucking whatever laws they want.
" I said I don't support a second referendum..." - Yet here she is accepting the result of a second EU referendum.
Flint is right to be worried about the Government's lack of openness about this bill because the Tories are not to be trusted. They never govern in the national interest; only in the corporate & affluent interest. It's never wise to grant a politician sweeping, scopeless powers to fix a problem they created.
Star Wars should have taught us this by now! Heh
Everything they voted for is up for amendment,most just want to get on with from both sides,work with what we've got.
So small talk is more sensible than preventing terrorism?
Eventually, he can do nothing until then (assuming he is actually doing anything other than massaging the gullible), in the meantime the uk economy is worse now than it was after the 2007/8 world depression and uk inflation is still above target. And you still have 2 more years before you can even attempt recovery.
Tell me, do you think the additional shipping cost of getting your food etc from an extra 4 or 5 thousand miles away is going to ease the spiralling cost of living?
Now that's just griping for gripings sake, we all know Israel has not made any terror attacks on the UK, unlike those on America and Palestine
And we also know labour are not anti Islamic, anti polish, anti any immigrant of any race you care to mention. People in glass houses. ;-)
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Hahaha. If Brexiteers are glass-half-full people they wouldn't be so irate about people not agreeing with them; calling us 'Remoaners' and demanding vociferously that we shut up and start blindly going with the fact-free flow. Was it a glass-half-full mentality which led to the aforementioned spike in hate crimes in England & Wales? Was it a glass-half-full mentality which caused Leave-supporting MPs to walk out of a Parliamentary report which didn't match their baseless jingoism? If you were really glass-half-full people you'd have arguments beyond 'Brexit means Brexit'; 'it's the will of the people!' and 'it's done with now, so let's come together and make the best of it, Remoaner!'.
You shouldn't believe everything you hear. What country would want to hammer out a trade deal with us until it knows our situation as a result of Brexit? For that matter, what country, if pressed with the dichotomy, would rather trade with us than the EU?
Notanumber
A Free Man
Nick knows best.
Except israelies.
It's your party so you should know,everyone else does.
First off, not my party, my party is green, however i feel their ideas are more in tune with mine than a Tory dictatorship.
But yes, i did say we all know.
Well its so blatant you cannot miss it.
What? That labour are not labour are not anti Islamic, anti polish, anti any immigrant of any race you care to mention?
Ok ill mention it again,anti semeticism/zionist/israel in the labour party,you would have to bury your head in the sand to not see it.
Well what can you expect from a party with a Marxist fan club.
No one is ignoring it, but you are ignoring the terrorism Israel imposes on Palestine and even America.
You mean the big bad Israel of 8 million people are terrorising America!,wow.
Its all one way traffic,Palestinians wouldn't even throw a donut.
Of course everyone is aware of the Marx lovers in the labour party and that's why anti Semitism is in the labour party,read some Marx.
I'm pretty sure the FBI knows more about terrorism in America than you so feel free to mock, it only shows your ignorance. In suggest you actually do some research on the terrorist element of the 5.5 million Jewish Americans.
Palestine throws home made and second weapons to defend itself from the land theft that is rife. Israel throws cluster bomb's