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The Ukraine war

JIMMY12345

Active Member
Because Ukrainians have lost the war.

I have some fresh news. The EU is asking Russia for a truce, that's the rumor.

The elitist cabal of warmongers must cope with the truth.
"The elitist cabal of warmongers must cope with the truth."

Dead right especially the person who started it.
 

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
From the NYT:


A Russian strike destroyed a crowded children’s hospital in the center of Kyiv on Monday, part of a large-scale aerial bombardment that killed at least 20 people in cities across Ukraine.​
At least 50 people were wounded in the barrage, according to Ihor Klymenko, the head of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. Officials cautioned that the toll would likely rise.​
In Kyiv, the local authorities said that at least nine people had been killed and another 23 wounded. It was not clear how many of the casualties were at the Okhmatdyt Children’s Hospital or at other locations in the city, where fires were reported after debris from missiles that had been shot out of the sky crashed into residential neighborhoods.​
President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine said people were still trapped under the rubble at the children’s hospital, and that the exact number of casualties was not yet known.​

This too is on the ballot this November.

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(By the way, with the possible exception of some comment by @Estro Felino or @Revoltingest - both on my ignore list - I have found no one denouncing "Russian genocide" in the previous 48 posts.)
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
(By the way, with the possible exception of some comment by @Estro Felino or @Revoltingest - both on my ignore list - I have found no one denouncing "Russian genocide" in the previous 48 posts.)
I think this sentiment is a bit unfair. It's quite possible for a war or war crimes in one geopolitical instance to not be considered genocide (or, at least, an extension of ongoing or intended genocide) while it can still justifiably be considered genocide (or an extension of ongoing or intended genocide) in another geopolitical instance.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Of course you do.
Would you care to elaborate on that, or are you happy to cast insinuations about my character without the courage to put actual claims to them?

Thanks for sharing. Different evaluations of different situations are always possible. At issue is what complex of facts and attitudes result in one evaluation versus another for each individual.
I just think it's obviously overly simplistic to suggest that because people aren't saying that one instance of a war or war crimes is an example of genocide that they can't have reasonable cause to say another instance of a war or war crimes IS an example of genocide. I don't think the insinuation of bias is necessarily rational purely on the basis that they have neglected to state the belief that this particular instance is genocide rather than an instance they DO believe is genocide.
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
(By the way, with the possible exception of some comment by @Estro Felino or @Revoltingest - both on my ignore list - I have found no one denouncing "Russian genocide" in the previous 48 posts.)
If by "Russian genocide", you mean genocide
by Russia....or more generally, mass murder
in Ukraine (& within Russia), I've oft criticized it.
If not in those particular 48 posts, then in others.

The other poster mentioned....I don't recall her
criticism of it.

Why alert me to a post for which
the response you'll never see?
 
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Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
I just think it's obviously overly simplistic to suggest that because people aren't saying that one instance of a war or war crimes is an example of genocide that they can't have reasonable cause to say another instance of a war or war crimes IS an example of genocide.

That is certainly true. (Again, thanks for sharing.) It is also true that characterizations are a choice. Some are reasoned and descriptive, others are thoughtless and/or bigoted.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
That is certainly true. (Again, thanks for sharing.) It is also true that characterizations are a choice. Some are reasoned and descriptive, others are thoughtless and/or bigoted.
True, but it's still overly simplistic to suggest some kind of thoughtlessness or bigotry simply because people are referring to an example of a thing as genocidal while not referring to a separate example of a similar thing as genocidal. It's perfectly possible for one to be justifiably called genocidal for reasons that the other is not. There's threads of logic missing there.
 

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
Have a great day ...
Tell me, what makes you decide to flip from "perfectly valid, sound, informative and insightful" to "insulting, dismissive, obtuse and needlessly confrontational"?

I have delt with literal ethno-nationalists that are less defensive, evasive and insecure than this.
 
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