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The ultimate philosophical question for science.

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
To better understand how the quantum environment interacts with our universe, we're going to have to learn more about how that quantum ether-world accesses the "back door" to the quantum computer which is our universe.

In Ruth Kastner’s excellent book on quantum interpretation, Understanding Our Unseen Reality (2015), she terms the timeless environment where quantum transactions take place, as Quantumland. I will use that term here.

So, what is the difference between time and space in Quantumland, and in our universe? In a word, divisibility, or, more precisely, a limit to their divisibility.

If there were no limit to the divisibility of time, then it would take forever for a second, or any unit of time you care to mention, to pass, rendering the dimension of distance to be essentially not applicable. If a frog was hopping down a football field and only jumping half the distance to the goal line for each subsequent hop, it would never reach the goal line. But if we limit the hops to a minimum distance, it would. The dimension of time works the same way. The 3 dimensions of space, and the dimension of time, are “created” when we limit their divisibility, and those limits are Planck-time and Planck-length. Wherever divisibility is not limited, there is effectively no distance (i.e a non-local environment) and no time. Put another way, you could get anywhere (or everywhere at once) in Quantumland in no time. Time and space exist in Quantumland, but they’re infinitely divisible, rendering them irrelevant.

We are creatures born of our 4-D universe, and cannot (yet?) survive being divided, much less divided to quantum level particles. But do quantum level particles slip through the Planck spacetime gaps in the fabric of our 4-D spacetime universe into Quantumland and back at will? The evidence indicates that they do. Now the ultimate philosophical question: What is the nature of our self-aware souls, spirits or consciousnesses, which we’ve been completely unable to quantify? Could they, like quantum phenomena, slip through the Planck spacetime firewall as well?
 

Native

Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
So, what is the difference between time and space in Quantumland, and in our universe? In a word, divisibility, or, more precisely, a limit to their divisibility.
In some cultural religious telling of the creation, "time" is completely out of the overall equation, since the Universe is stated to be an eternal stage of formation and dissolution.
"Time" is just a human measurement of motions in space but in the overall picture all motions in space are circular and even flowing "into itself" and out again, governed by the electromagnetic force and qualities.
 
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ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
In some cultural religious telling of the creation, "time" is completely out of the overall equation, since the Universe is stated to be an eternal stage of formation and dissolution.
"Time" is just a human measurement of motions in space but in the overall picture all motions in space are circular and even flowing "into itself" and out again, governed by the electomagnetic force and qualities.

Electromagnetism and gravity are forces that I think operate only within the 4-D universe. We can roughly comprehend something lasting "forever", but not something that has "always been". And as it turns out, our 4-D universe did have a beginning, which included the beginning of time. According to this idea, it makes no sense to use words like "before" or "outside" in reference to the universe, since time and distance there are indivisible and thus incapable of exerting its influence, making things, for all intents and purposes, timeless and "distanceless". Without our divisible 4-D spacetime, "beginning" and "location" literally have no meaning.

My point is that, if there is a conscious, creator spirit-God, it makes no sense to talk about God having a beginning or having always been. A pre-Big Bang, co-existing Quantumland environment, would be "timeless" and "spaceless", or, if you will, "distanceless" or "locationless". That would make God an entity that is ageless and omnipresent, and implies a "forever" to which our souls, our Quantumland signature, would be existing in parallel with our 4-D consciousness.

I know, a big if. But our free will requires that we either honor Truth and make our peace with doubt, or surrender our souls to a lie, aka oblivion.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
It is useless to compare "conventional" reality with Quantumland, since they are essentially two different realities.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
It is useless to compare "conventional" reality with Quantumland, since they are essentially two different realities.

I'm not comparing them, only pointing out that apparently they both exist in a more than intuitive fashion and are connected. Quantum transactions are initiated and completed in this "reality" but are consummated in Quantumland And your "conventional" reality is a unique reality that we don't appear to be able to migrate from, in this life.....yet.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
If there were no limit to the divisibility of time, then it would take forever for a second, or any unit of time you care to mention, to pass, rendering the dimension of distance to be essentially not applicable. If a frog was hopping down a football field and only jumping half the distance to the goal line for each subsequent hop, it would never reach the goal line.
Calculus isn't your strong suit, eh? ;)
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
I'm not comparing them, only pointing out that apparently they both exist in a more than intuitive fashion and are connected. Quantum transactions are initiated and completed in this "reality" but are consummated in Quantumland And your "conventional" reality is a unique reality that we don't appear to be able to migrate from, in this life.....yet.
Indeed, we're like computer icons on the desktop (conventional reality), attempting to ponder the computer code (dna?) and electrons (quantumland) which make up our existence.
 

ThePainefulTruth

Romantic-Cynic
Calculus isn't your strong suit, eh? ;)

No, it wasn't, but it's irrelevant to minimum divisibility. Otherwise, those Planck minimum limits for time and distance wouldn't exist.

Indeed, we're like computer icons on the desktop (conventional reality), attempting to ponder the computer code (dna?) and electrons (quantumland) which make up our existence.

What's your point? In fact, that's what genetic biology and quantum physics are doing.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
What's your point? In fact, that's what genetic biology and quantum physics are doing.
Well, in terms of your original question "What is the nature of our self-aware souls, spirits or consciousnesses, which we’ve been completely unable to quantify?" I would say we cannot use our tools on our level of reality to fully analyze or comprehend the deepest layer of reality.

Mario in his game might be able to discern that he's made up of pixels, but using his tools in Mario-land, he cannot discern the underlying reality (computer code) that makes up his reality.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Indeed, we're like computer icons on the desktop (conventional reality), attempting to ponder the computer code (dna?) and electrons (quantumland) which make up our existence.

By one theory, perhaps we ARE the DNA for the universe, DNA is where all the information to build a new host is gathered- including copying itself. Where in our universe can you find the actual information required to build it? Largely gathered in our own information systems- even the human genome.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
By one theory, perhaps we ARE the DNA for the universe, DNA is where all the information to build a new host is gathered- including copying itself. Where in our universe can you find the actual information required to build it? Largely gathered in our own information systems- even the human genome.
It is possible.

My theory is that the universe is the product of the Consciousness.
 

Monk Of Reason

༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
To better understand how the quantum environment interacts with our universe, we're going to have to learn more about how that quantum ether-world accesses the "back door" to the quantum computer which is our universe.

In Ruth Kastner’s excellent book on quantum interpretation, Understanding Our Unseen Reality (2015), she terms the timeless environment where quantum transactions take place, as Quantumland. I will use that term here.

So, what is the difference between time and space in Quantumland, and in our universe? In a word, divisibility, or, more precisely, a limit to their divisibility.

If there were no limit to the divisibility of time, then it would take forever for a second, or any unit of time you care to mention, to pass, rendering the dimension of distance to be essentially not applicable. If a frog was hopping down a football field and only jumping half the distance to the goal line for each subsequent hop, it would never reach the goal line. But if we limit the hops to a minimum distance, it would. The dimension of time works the same way. The 3 dimensions of space, and the dimension of time, are “created” when we limit their divisibility, and those limits are Planck-time and Planck-length. Wherever divisibility is not limited, there is effectively no distance (i.e a non-local environment) and no time. Put another way, you could get anywhere (or everywhere at once) in Quantumland in no time. Time and space exist in Quantumland, but they’re infinitely divisible, rendering them irrelevant.

We are creatures born of our 4-D universe, and cannot (yet?) survive being divided, much less divided to quantum level particles. But do quantum level particles slip through the Planck spacetime gaps in the fabric of our 4-D spacetime universe into Quantumland and back at will? The evidence indicates that they do. Now the ultimate philosophical question: What is the nature of our self-aware souls, spirits or consciousnesses, which we’ve been completely unable to quantify? Could they, like quantum phenomena, slip through the Planck spacetime firewall as well?
Our self awareness comes from advanced chemistry and neuro biology within the brain that was developed through evolution. Cognitive function is the basis for what you call self-awareness or consciousness. It has nothing more to do with the quantomland than any other seemingly more mundane function or phenomenon on the macro world.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
It is possible.

My theory is that the universe is the product of the Consciousness.


Yes, I think consciousness is the key one way or another. It's not clear that anything can truly be created in the absence of creativity- purpose, will, phenomena which can only exist in a conscious mind.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Our self awareness comes from advanced chemistry and neuro biology within the brain that was developed through evolution. Cognitive function is the basis for what you call self-awareness or consciousness. It has nothing more to do with the quantomland than any other seemingly more mundane function or phenomenon on the macro world.

chemistry, neuro biology, and evolution, all operate in quantumland already, no escaping it really!
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
No, it wasn't, but it's irrelevant to minimum divisibility. Otherwise, those Planck minimum limits for time and distance wouldn't exist.
The Planck constant doesn't exist for your convenience.

And Zeno's paradox is irrelevant to reality. If the time it takes to get from A to B is 2 seconds, then it takes 2 seconds to get from A to B, not "forever". You violate your own premises.
 
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