The Umbrella Problem: LGBT, LGBTQQI, Or LGBTQQICAAAPPF2K?

[Epic Beard Man]

To help those not familiar with the above allow me to define some concepts....

LGBTQQI-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex.

LGBTQQICAAAPPF2K-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Curious, Asexual, Agender, Ally, Pansexual, Polysexual, Friends and Family, 2 spirit, and Kink.

I personally feel like some of these umbrella terms are getting ridiculous and quite confusing as some of these concepts are also applicable to people of the "straight" orientation. I, myself am kinky, and queer, and an ally, and have friends and family. But the problem I have with this is some of the people in the community that are adding concepts are making this more and more confusing.

See:LGBT – New Acronym Meaningless | National Review

 

[Sunstone]

I'll go with LGBT or -- if I'm dealing with a fussy monster, then LGBT+

 

[suncowiam]

Curious and Questioning is an orientation?

Isn't this just a stage? It would defeat the claim that orientations are natural?

Not that I care if it's a choice or innate. It's your body and your life.

 

[Buddha Dharma]

I think that LGBT and the like will one day outlive any usefulness as a label- when society has truly moved to accepting more broad ideas of sexuality. We are not there yet, despite progress.

It still remains necessary to identify as LGBT because we aren't yet past some in society wanting to hide gay people away and not see them. Not acknowledge they are there and deal with the reality.

The reality has to be embraced first before any progress to something else can be made. I'd love to live in a society that was so enlightened as to not pressure people about ideal sexuality, or which gender they ought to love.

I dream of a world where love is love and no one has to defend loving the opposite or same sex, but this isn't that world yet. It remains to be seen if we'll make it, or plunge backwards into a Dark Age.

 

[Quetzal]

I personally feel like some of these umbrella terms are getting ridiculous and quite confusing...

You and me both.

 

[Frater Sisyphus]

Why L and G, when they're the same thing but for opposite genders? Why not just G?
Also, why is there no Straight? (it's meant to be against discrimination, right?)

It should stay as SGBT, which covers everything within reason.

 

[Quintessence]

Why L and G, when they're the same thing but for opposite genders? Why not just G? Also, why is there no Straight?
It should stay as SGBT, which covers everything within reason.

It isn't supposed to cover everything. The LGBTQ+ term is intended to cover "unconventional" modes of gender expression/identity, sexual orientation/expression, not the "conventional" straight, heterosexual stuff.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Oh my Lola.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I think that LGBT and the like will one day outlive any usefulness as a label- when society has truly moved to accepting more broad ideas of sexuality. We are not there yet, despite progress.

It still remains necessary to identify as LGBT because we aren't yet past some in society wanting to hide gay people away and not see them. Not acknowledge they are there and deal with the reality.

The reality has to be embraced first before any progress to something else can be made. I'd love to live in a society that was so enlightened as to not pressure people about ideal sexuality, or which gender they ought to love.

I dream of a world where love is love and no one has to defend loving the opposite or same sex, but this isn't that world yet. It remains to be seen if we'll make it, or plunge backwards into a Dark Age.

That world is so far off.....

 

[Frater Sisyphus]

It isn't supposed to cover everything. The LGBTQ+ term is intended to cover "unconventional" modes of gender expression/identity, sexual orientation/expression, not the "conventional" straight, heterosexual stuff.

There's no such thing as unconventional or conventional though.........even for straight people.

It's all politics, as far as I can see, because there are still major issue in different parts of the world to do with same-sex (gay) marriage and sexuality. Even bigger is general social acceptance of transsexuals.

From a political standpoint, I get what you mean, sure. There is a lot more awareness and acceptance (on a basic human and social level) that still has to be acquired. Which makes the idea of a social movement such as that understandable, but only for that purpose.

And all sexuality are equally as unimportant and individual.

 

[Father Heathen]

the people who came up with "LGBTQQICAPF2K+" are probably the same people who came up with silly **** like "Xe", "Xer", "Xim", etc. as gender pronouns.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

To help those not familiar with the above allow me to define some concepts....

LGBTQQI-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex.

LGBTQQICAAAPPF2K-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Curious, Asexual, Agender, Ally, Pansexual, Polysexual, Friends and Family, 2 spirit, and Kink.

I personally feel like some of these umbrella terms are getting ridiculous and quite confusing as some of these concepts are also applicable to people of the "straight" orientation. I, myself am kinky, and queer, and an ally, and have friends and family. But the problem I have with this is some of the people in the community that are adding concepts are making this more and more confusing.

See:LGBT – New Acronym Meaningless | National Review

Im pretty much simple. Keep with the LGBT. Like Paganism, its hard to get everyone in one boat. It took awhile for me to get used to the Q. I thought gay is a all emcompassing word before it became politically correct to say "it Only means a male homosexual orientation." The word and Queer went beyond that. No need for letters. We are who we are.

Okay. Off the soap box. Continue....

 

[Stanyon]

Just call it alphabet people, it should cover everything.

 

[RedDragon94]

To help those not familiar with the above allow me to define some concepts....

LGBTQQI-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex.

LGBTQQICAAAPPF2K-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Curious, Asexual, Agender, Ally, Pansexual, Polysexual, Friends and Family, 2 spirit, and Kink.

I personally feel like some of these umbrella terms are getting ridiculous and quite confusing as some of these concepts are also applicable to people of the "straight" orientation. I, myself am kinky, and queer, and an ally, and have friends and family. But the problem I have with this is some of the people in the community that are adding concepts are making this more and more confusing.

See:LGBT – New Acronym Meaningless | National Review

I'm not saying all those letters every time I have to refer to someone of a different orientation. Lol

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Just call them and treat them as 'people' and be done with it.

 

[Nakosis]

It isn't supposed to cover everything. The LGBTQ+ term is intended to cover "unconventional" modes of gender expression/identity, sexual orientation/expression, not the "conventional" straight, heterosexual stuff.

Saying they are unconventional, isn't that discriminatory? It's all normal right?

Group identities are created for political reasons, political power. Inclusiveness to a point increases your political clout as long as you all are of the same political opinion.

 

[Augustus]

Curious and Questioning is an orientation?

On next: "Texas lawmaker: children's TV brainwashing gayness into our kids, expect Divine retribution"

 

[Mock Turtle]

There is one missing perhaps, but one that will not ever be recognised as such, and probably rightfully so, which is - paedophilia sexual orientation. Many paedophiles, and some professionals too, might see it this way (a legitimate sexual orientation), even if most, including myself, would see this as mostly delusional thinking. I can hardly see the day where it would be included either but that won't stop many campaigning to have it seen as such.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

To help those not familiar with the above allow me to define some concepts....

LGBTQQI-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex.

LGBTQQICAAAPPF2K-Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, transsexual, Queer, Questioning, Intersex, Curious, Asexual, Agender, Ally, Pansexual, Polysexual, Friends and Family, 2 spirit, and Kink.

I personally feel like some of these umbrella terms are getting ridiculous and quite confusing as some of these concepts are also applicable to people of the "straight" orientation. I, myself am kinky, and queer, and an ally, and have friends and family. But the problem I have with this is some of the people in the community that are adding concepts are making this more and more confusing.

See:LGBT – New Acronym Meaningless | National Review

I'm definitely an ally, although frighteningly straight and vanilla, but wasn't LGBTQQICAAAPPF2K that experimental film from the '80s with the Phillip Glass soundtrack?

Spoiler: For those who don't get the joke

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I have never seen such exaggerated shortforms anywhere but RF forums and I've spent a fair amount of time around LGBT friendly spaces and I've never seen anything that ridiculous.

I have seen LGBTQ, LGBTQA (ace, not ally) and LGBTQ2S+
The only reasons the groups have changed the term is to make it clear who is welcome in their group and is generally related to who is involved with the organization.

There is zero reason to focus on the issue of Acronym, especially if you aren't actually involved in decision making in these groups.

what's ace? And do I want to know?