The Unforgivable Sin

[TurkeyOnRye]

To say that this sin is not eternal and forgivable is a gross perversion of the Bible's word. Yes, Jesus will forgive yours sins, but with one exception.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mark 3:28-29 "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] but whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin."

No more justifications, no more cognitive dissonance, no more intentional ignorance. Face the facts, Christians; the Bible is immoral, unjust and contradictory. Christianity is in the same league as Islam, Judaism etc. They are all myths. Even if you believe in God, why in the world should anyone believe in an organized religion? Why not be a deist or simply a theist. How could anyone want to worship a God that is going to throw 99% of his followers into an eternal lake of fire? If you ask me, this God sounds insane.

[/FONT]"arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidical, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
-Richard Dawkins

 

[BFD_Zayl]

Murder without proper cause

 

[Real Sorceror]

Nope, there is nothing you could do that could alienate you from God forever (and I have a pretty active imagination). Now, we are talking about eternity here, so eventually, you and God will repair your relationship. Eventually.

 

[DiscipleOfChrist]

To say that this sin is not eternal and forgivable is a gross perversion of the Bible's word. Yes, Jesus will forgive yours sins, but with one exception.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mark 3:28-29 "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] but whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin."

No more justifications, no more cognitive dissonance, no more intentional ignorance. Face the facts, Christians; the Bible is immoral, unjust and contradictory. Christianity is in the same league as Islam, Judaism etc. They are all myths. Even if you believe in God, why in the world should anyone believe in an organized religion? Why not be a deist or simply a theist. How could anyone want to worship a God that is going to throw 99% of his followers into an eternal lake of fire? If you ask me, this God sounds insane.

[/FONT]"arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidical, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
-Richard Dawkins

Where did you get the 99% from? Of course not all will enter Heaven, becasue they are separate from God. I'm not going to wait till I die to discover what I am doing is the way, it would be too late.

 

[DiscipleOfChrist]

Nope, there is nothing you could do that could alienate you from God forever (and I have a pretty active imagination). Now, we are talking about eternity here, so eventually, you and God will repair your relationship. Eventually.

So you just totally ignore what God says about the unforgivable sin? You can alienate yourself from God forever, by calling the Holy Spirit evil and choosing to stay away from God in spirit, obediance and love. Some will choose the dark over the light because they want to hide their evil deeds and keep doing them away from, love, grace and fellowship with Christ.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

There is no sin, no heaven, no hell, no ghost etc....

You should do your own thing.......

Question..(in a way).... Surely all the things that are do are the will of God? Surely God knows that which I will or will not do. Surely God created every decision I haave made or will make. Surely God is the creator of all things. Surely it is God who created good and evil.

why dwell and speculate on a thing when surely God is in control of it all????

 

[XAAX]

Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin for Christians. Although in my opinion, this was a mis-translation to its true meaning. Which is the rejection of your spiritual connection to the universal energy(God). By doing so it prevents spiritual progression. In other words, to deny yourself as part of God, you separate and close yourself off from God.

 

[Sunstone]

In trampolining, the one unforgiveable sin is to wear cleats.

 

[des]

Yes, I understand (maybe not agree) but understand all that. But is it truly unforgivable, in the sense that there is no way to be forgiven it. For instance, if you accept the holy spirit after rejecting it, then are you still not
forgiven?

--des

Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit is the unforgivable sin for Christians. Although in my opinion, this was a mis-translation to its true meaning. Which is the rejection of your spiritual connection to the universal energy(God). By doing so it prevents spiritual progression. In other words, to deny yourself as part of God, you separate and close yourself off from God.

 

[logician]

What about denying that a god exists, is that forgivable?

 

[XAAX]

Yes, I understand (maybe not agree) but understand all that. But is it truly unforgivable, in the sense that there is no way to be forgiven it. For instance, if you accept the holy spirit after rejecting it, then are you still not
forgiven?
--des

Oh, sorry, I was merely stating the biblical aspect of it. Forgiveness in the sense that you are thinking of has no real meaning. To be forgiven for something merely means that someone is willing to except what you have done. If you do something that is bad(negative) to someone, then ask for forgiveness. That person may forgive you, but it doesn’t change the fact that you have done something negative. To do something positive or negative, you focus that particular energy within yourself. In doing so you bring about like energy. So it boils down to, what many religions have as fundamentals(without understanding why), you reap what you sow. If you do good, that energy attracts good energy, and likewise for bad. So regardless of forgiveness, you get what you deserve. This is the same in the spiritual sense. You could deny the holy spirit(as Christians understand it), ask for forgiveness and change, but you have still done something that will need to balance itself out over time.

 

[Doktormartini]

I'm atheist and don't belive in Sin and Hell and all that. Besides, I committed the Christian unforgivable sin...

 

[XAAX]

I'm atheist and don't belive in Sin and Hell and all that. Besides, I committed the Christian unforgivable sin...

I don't believe in the definitions of Sin or Hell in the way that most people believe them to be either. Like I said before, religions confuse the meanings of these terms with their teachings. If the only definition of these terms were the only meaning, then I would not believe in them either. As far as committing the unforgivable. When I broke away and denounced my faith, to my perception at the time, I was committing it as well.

 

[Katzpur]

To say that this sin is not eternal and forgivable is a gross perversion of the Bible's word. Yes, Jesus will forgive yours sins, but with one exception.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mark 3:28-29 "[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] but whoever curses the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an everlasting sin."

No more justifications, no more cognitive dissonance, no more intentional ignorance. Face the facts, Christians; the Bible is immoral, unjust and contradictory. Christianity is in the same league as Islam, Judaism etc. They are all myths. Even if you believe in God, why in the world should anyone believe in an organized religion? Why not be a deist or simply a theist. How could anyone want to worship a God that is going to throw 99% of his followers into an eternal lake of fire? If you ask me, this God sounds insane.

[/FONT]"arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it, a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak, a vindictive bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser, a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidical, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."
-Richard Dawkins

Don't paint us all with one brush, Turkey. I'm a Christian and my God is nothing like the God you have just described.

 

[Ody]

Caressing oneself whilst asleep is indeed a potential problem, and we solve this by sleeping in such a way as to make this impossible. I.e. upright posture, back against wall, hands held above heads.

Position has nothing to do with the ability to have a wet dream as far as I know.

 

[Ody]

In Judaism, there is no eternal hell, your soul may be destroyed for ever (the opinion of some, including me) but I doubt anyone reading this thread has made such transgressions warranting such a thing.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

Nope, there is nothing you could do that could alienate you from God forever (and I have a pretty active imagination). Now, we are talking about eternity here, so eventually, you and God will repair your relationship. Eventually.

I don't understand you. I don't understand the Bible either but you're making even less sense. To say what you said is a copout. A complete evasion of the Bible's word.

Don't paint us all with one brush, Turkey. I'm a Christian and my God is nothing like the God you have just described.

That is pick-and-choose Christianity. Plain and simple.

Where did you get the 99% from? Of course not all will enter Heaven, becasue they are separate from God. I'm not going to wait till I die to discover what I am doing is the way, it would be too late.

Well, I am pulling that percentage out of my bottom, but considering how many people are Christian in this world, how many of those people are actually "practicing" Christians and how many of those people are actually going to Heaven is probably infinitesmally small.

 

[XAAX]

I don't understand you. I don't understand the Bible either but you're making even less sense. To say what you said is a copout. A complete evasion of the Bible's word.
That is pick-and-choose Christianity. Plain and simple.
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I do understand the bible Turkey, and trust me, the pick and choose christians are a leap ahead of the "If it's not in the bible, it isn't of God" christians. I've been both, been around both, and the latter of those are the scary ones.

 

[TurkeyOnRye]

I do understand the bible Turkey, and trust me, the pick and choose christians are a leap ahead of the "If it's not in the bible, it isn't of God" christians. I've been both, been around both, and the latter of those are the scary ones.

So? Real Christianity is scary.

 

[XAAX]

So? Real Christianity is scary.

It can most certainly be. When someone closes there mind to anything but what their particular bible tells them, then yes it can be. It makes you intolerant and ignorant to all things. This is not just the Christians though, this go with any belief that does this.