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The VP Debate between JD Vance and Tim Walz

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Did anyone catch the VP debate between Walz and Vance? Vance was calm, poised and articulate. Walz was more political acrobatics. The most memorable part, for me, was toward the end. Waltz was starting to get rattled, moving his arms around. I expected Vance to pounce, but instead, the nice guy he is, Vance threw Walz a bi-partisan lifeline, that boosted Walz confidence and gave Tim Waltz time to recover. After that Walz did very well, while Vance continued his clear style for getting his message across.

At one point Vance also went bipartisan, that melted the two biased female moderators, who were careful not to be too aggressive since Vance was running on all cylinders and could turn things around. Vance is very classy guy with the energy of a young man of 40. I can see why fake news has been so misleading about Vance; afraid of him due to his intelligence and his calm folksy style that can disarm his opponents.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Did anyone catch the VP debate between Walz and Vance? Vance was calm, poised and articulate. Walz was more political acrobatics. The most memorable part, for me, was toward the end. Waltz was starting to get rattled, moving his arms around. I expected Vance to pounce, but instead, the nice guy he is, Vance threw Walz a bi-partisan lifeline, that boosted Walz confidence and gave Tim Waltz time to recover. After that Walz did very well, while Vance continued his clear style for getting his message across.

At one point Vance also went bipartisan, that melted the two biased female moderators, who were careful not to be too aggressive since Vance was running on all cylinders and could turn things around. Vance is very classy guy with the energy of a young man of 40. I can see why fake news has been so misleading about Vance; afraid of him due to his intelligence and his calm folksy style that can disarm his opponents.
I have to say the civility with both of them is commendable and both were rather informative much better than the presidential debates were.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
And that shouldn't go unnoticed, but the MAGA's don't care about truth & honesty along with democracy.
The DNC and swamp were able to hide social media censorship and the disinformation about the Hunter Biden laptop until they stole the election, became in charge and were able to void justice. Based on fake news in December 2020, this election interference was not proven yet.

How about we allow Trump to control social media, until the election, if that made no difference for Biden? That was illegal with the Supreme Court saying so; too little too late.

And that shouldn't go unnoticed, but the MAGA's don't care about truth & honesty along with democracy.

We do care about truth and honesty. Which is why Trump and Vance will not allow the cheat to stand and legal. Democracy is not a group of insiders who void the 13,000,000 Democratic votes that nominated Biden; more election tampering. You guys confuse Democracy with Socialism. Trump is threat to Socialism, since that is a second string form of Government, with too heavy of a hand on its citizens.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
The DNC and swamp were able to hide social media censorship and the disinformation about the Hunter Biden laptop until they stole the election, became in charge and were able to void justice. Based on fake news in December 2020, this election interference was not proven yet.

How about we allow Trump to control social media, until the election, if that made no difference for Biden? That was illegal with the Supreme Court saying so; too little too late.
Nobody stole the election.

Trump et al. tried, but failed.
We do care about truth and honesty. Which is why Trump and Vance will not allow the cheat to stand and legal. Democracy is not a group of insiders who void the 13,000,000 Democratic votes that nominated Biden; more election tampering. You guys confuse Democracy with Socialism. Trump is threat to Socialism, since that is a second string form of Government, with too heavy of a hand on its citizens.
If you care about truth and honesty how on earth can you proudly support Trump???
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
Nobody stole the election.

Trump et al. tried, but failed.

If you care about truth and honesty how on earth can you proudly support Trump???
I do not use fake news and swamp disinformation as my litmus test. They will giver you a false negative and positive.

I believe actions speak louder than words. I judge by action and not by words. If we compare the actions of the Trump economy in 2016-2020, even with COVID, the economy was much better then in terms of lower inflation, cheaper energy, rising wages. All the wars were settled and illegal immigration was under control.

Now we hear Harris promising things, but she still not doing anything in terms of actual actions. She is still the VP in power and has the option to do something. The Left is more about words and inaction, with lies and promises assumed to be a good as actions. My brain processes reality first, and ignore politicians, who talk too much, but never do anything. Or even pull the bait and switch like reparations.

I just read that the town in North Carolina, that had the worse flood and death tool, finally got bottled water from FEMA, which was 4 days after the disaster. This too little, too late is the theme of Biden and Harris Administration. This is why we have the war in Ukraine. They did not act proactively to stop it. You would learn more by looking at actions and not depending on words that make you feel good or angry for nothing.

I assume Trump can repeat what he has already done. But slacker Harris will foot drag and revert back to what she knows. Project 2025 is a way to redecorate the Goverment so it becomes functional again and not a DNC money pit to steal from.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I do not use fake news and swamp disinformation as my litmus test. They will giver you a false negative and positive.
Trump is a huge spreader of fake news. So again I ask, If you care about truth and honesty how on earth can you proudly support Trump???

I believe actions speak louder than words. I judge by action and not by words. If we compare the actions of the Trump economy in 2016-2020, even with COVID, the economy was much better then in terms of lower inflation, cheaper energy, rising wages. All the wars were settled and illegal immigration was under control.
According to Trump, anyway. Reality says otherwise.

Also, I think it's absurd how MAGA completely gloss over and ignore Trump's bumbling of the pandemic and instead just pretend it never happened and only focus on the economy UP TO THAT POINT. It's extremely disingenuous.

Also, Biden's economy is doing quite well, especially when compared to other developed countries in the world.
Now we hear Harris promising things, but she still not doing anything in terms of actual actions. She is still the VP in power and has the option to do something. The Left is more about words and inaction, with lies and promises assumed to be a good as actions. My brain processes reality first, and ignore politicians, who talk too much, but never do anything. Or even pull the bait and switch like reparations.
Are you under the impression that Vice Presidents actually do anything? What did Mike Pence do?

I just read that the town in North Carolina, that had the worse flood and death tool, finally got bottled water from FEMA, which was 4 days after the disaster. This too little, too late is the theme of Biden and Harris Administration. This is why we have the war in Ukraine. They did not act proactively to stop it. You would learn more by looking at actions and not depending on words that make you feel good or angry for nothing.
What you read was fake news. How ironic that you believe it.
Trump tried making the same bogus claims. Surprise, surprise.




"VALDOSTA, Ga. (AP) — Donald Trump repeatedly spread falsehoods Monday about the federal response to Hurricane Helene despite claiming not to be politicizing the disaster as he toured hard-hit areas in south Georgia.

The former president and Republican nominee claimed upon landing in Valdosta that President Joe Biden was “sleeping” and not responding to Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, who he said was “calling the president and hasn’t been able to get him.” He repeated the claim at an event with reporters after being told Kemp said he had spoken to Biden.

“He’s lying, and the governor told him he was lying,” Biden said Monday.

The White House previously announced that Biden spoke by phone Sunday night with Kemp and North Carolina Gov. Roy Cooper, as well as Scott Matheson, mayor of Valdosta, Georgia, and Florida Emergency Management Director John Louk. Kemp confirmed Monday morning that he spoke to Biden the night before."




You really shouldn't take Trump's word for it on anything. He's a pathological liar.
I assume Trump can repeat what he has already done. But slacker Harris will foot drag and revert back to what she knows. Project 2025 is a way to redecorate the Goverment so it becomes functional again and not a DNC money pit to steal from.
You've got to be kidding me.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
Did anyone catch the VP debate between Walz and Vance? Vance was calm, poised and articulate. Walz was more political acrobatics. The most memorable part, for me, was toward the end. Waltz was starting to get rattled, moving his arms around. I expected Vance to pounce, but instead, the nice guy he is, Vance threw Walz a bi-partisan lifeline, that boosted Walz confidence and gave Tim Waltz time to recover. After that Walz did very well, while Vance continued his clear style for getting his message across.

At one point Vance also went bipartisan, that melted the two biased female moderators, who were careful not to be too aggressive since Vance was running on all cylinders and could turn things around. Vance is very classy guy with the energy of a young man of 40. I can see why fake news has been so misleading about Vance; afraid of him due to his intelligence and his calm folksy style that can disarm his opponents.
It's very sad that right at the end, Vance simply could not bring himself to say that Trump lost the 2020 election --

It was an absolute lie when he said "I never supported a national abortion ban," because we have the quotes when he himself said that he did. He said "I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally” in 2022 while running for his Senate seat in Ohio.

He got around the little problem I like to bring up (that Kamala is NOT the president and it is NOT her administration) but simply calling the current administration "the Kamala Harris Administration." FYI, Harris is not the president -- Joe Biden is. If Vance thinks that if he were Donald Trump's VP and could go about running the country in any fashion he likes would be the most abject idiocy, and it saddens me that nobody will ever ask him that.

Did you hear when he said that most of America's solar panels are made in China? Oopsy-daisy, 80% of them are made right there in those Excited States of America!

Oh, and in praise of Trump, he said that Trump "It's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on Jan. 20." But I think he kinda sorta missed that little contretemps on January 6. I wonder if he even realizes that the only reason he was on that stage last night is because Trump sent his goons to "hang Mike Pence."

Did you know that Trump "saved Obamacare?" Vance said so, right there on TV. But During Trump’s administration, he and his officials took many steps to weaken the Affordable Care Act after failing to repeal it, and enrollment declined until the final year of his term, which was in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Yes, he was smooth -- but a smooth lie is still a lie.
 

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
It's very sad that right at the end, Vance simply could not bring himself to say that Trump lost the 2020 election --

It was an absolute lie when he said "I never supported a national abortion ban," because we have the quotes when he himself said that he did. He said "I certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally” in 2022 while running for his Senate seat in Ohio.

He got around the little problem I like to bring up (that Kamala is NOT the president and it is NOT her administration) but simply calling the current administration "the Kamala Harris Administration." FYI, Harris is not the president -- Joe Biden is. If Vance thinks that if he were Donald Trump's VP and could go about running the country in any fashion he likes would be the most abject idiocy, and it saddens me that nobody will ever ask him that.

Did you hear when he said that most of America's solar panels are made in China? Oopsy-daisy, 80% of them are made right there in those Excited States of America!

Oh, and in praise of Trump, he said that Trump "It's really rich for Democratic leaders to say that Donald Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully gave over power on Jan. 20." But I think he kinda sorta missed that little contretemps on January 6. I wonder if he even realizes that the only reason he was on that stage last night is because Trump sent his goons to "hang Mike Pence."

Did you know that Trump "saved Obamacare?" Vance said so, right there on TV. But During Trump’s administration, he and his officials took many steps to weaken the Affordable Care Act after failing to repeal it, and enrollment declined until the final year of his term, which was in the midst of the Covid-19 pandemic.

Yes, he was smooth -- but a smooth lie is still a lie.
As far solar panel imports, China was replaced by South East Asia as the major exporter of solar hardware to the USA. This change was due to the tariffs added onto the less expensive Chinese imports. Didn't Harris and Biden whine about Trump's tariffs and how it will impact consumers with inflation? it is only bad if Trump does it. Tariffs were added at the request of US manufacturers who were still more expensive due to too much government interference and DEI incompetence. All that happened was four counties in SouthEast Asia, with better trade status, were buying and reselling the cheaper Chinese goods, until their own manufacturing got up to steam. Don't trust fake news. Looked for global market intelligence.

'Extreme dependence': US solar panel imports boom to record 54 GW in 2023

Once again during the debate, it was three against one. The DNC will never accept a fair debate. Why not have it on FOX? The DNC needs to cheat, since liars and con artists need to practice their lies and will always need backup, from moderators/fake news, if they get off script. If you have a good handle on issues, you can wing it and not have to stay on script, which Vance demonstrated. This is how a competent person does it; needing little spin cycle support.

A body language expert analyzed both debaters and she said Vance's calm body language showed confidence and being truthful. Walz was too fidgety and appeared to be stumbling, practicing, and lying and did not project as someone with a handle on the issues. Vance even felt sorry for Walz and bailed him, about 2/3 through, so it could get out the butterflies. Vance is a genuine person. People surveyed after the debate were surprised that Vance did not have a Hitler mustache, based on all the fake news image that being sold by the lying DNC.

As far as the not accepting the 2020 election, how about we compare that to 2016 election and the Swamp/DNC attempt to overthrow a duly elected President Trump, with their Russian Collusion scam/coup. That coup was ten times worse. Picture if Trump was interfering the first two years of Biden/Harris. In 2016, the DNC was trying to railroad an innocent man and market him as the enemy of the state. This coup even involved Obama and Biden spying on the Trump campaign, in a way that was worse than how Nixon had done it. Biden should have been disqualified from 2020, just for that worse than Nixon spying. Nixon never used the FBI and CIA to break the law. Should all those scammer have their days in court like they did to Trump? Trump never used law fare, but should have, since they needed a lesson.

The rules of the debate were the moderators were not supposed to fact check either candidate; namely only Vance, in real time, to avoid the 3 on 1 cheat ABC did with Harris. But they could not help themselves, but cheated and lie checked Vance, about his comment that all the illegal aliens that Czar Harris let in are driving up the prices of rents and houses. This is common sense. If you have millions of new people needing a place to live, with all the States forced to take on this task, this puts pressure on local resources; schools, hospitals, living squatters, etc. How obtuse is fake news?

Where do these immigrants live, while being funded by the local communities until they find jobs? They live locality. The state of NY does not pay to have them live in Hawaii. Technically, it is not exactly the immigrants' fault, but rather the Biden-Harris Administration and States governments are all funding and competing with their own citizens, for local housing. Even the US homeless and poor were displaced from some shelters due the immigrant surge. This need for extra rental property ties up personal housing units into investment properties. This absorbs homes; rentals, that otherwise may be for sale to home buyers, which get bought by richer investors, who can make money off the State. This is also adding to property taxes, which when bundled into the mortgage, causes all home costs to rise. Fake news will circle the wagon and look stupid trying to spin reality. Use critical thinking skills.

Stopped lying to yourself, and face the fact Harris and Walz are clunkers, with no plan other than a fake news supported fantasy; puppets of a ruling class, who speak on the behalf of their shielded puppets, less they start to clunk. We need leaders and not actors and puppets. Trump is in control, which is how a president needs to be.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
puppets of a ruling class, who speak on the behalf of their shielded puppets, less they start to clunk. We need leaders and not actors and puppets.
Your choice of words give you away -- I've seen this "red scare" rubbish before.
Trump is in control, which is how a president needs to be.
Trump is as mad as a hatter -- and you want him to have the nuclear codes?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
I do not use fake news and swamp disinformation as my litmus test. They will giver you a false negative and positive.
Given what you say you only use right wing disinformation media. I can seldom read your whole posts because they are so rampant with disinformation that it would take way too long just doing a fact check. Your reputation is ruined because of your choice to use poor quality media.
I believe actions speak louder than words.
Trump is a convicted felon. Absorb that.
I judge by action and not by words.
No you don't. You read right wing disinformation and ignore Trump criminal behavior.
If we compare the actions of the Trump economy in 2016-2020, even with COVID, the economy was much better then in terms of lower inflation, cheaper energy, rising wages. All the wars were settled and illegal immigration was under control.
Trump had a post Obama recovery which was very slow, due in part to republicans interfereing with what he wanted to do. That was a good thing in the long run because the economy has been on a long recorvey and growth sine 2009. The pandemic was mismanaged by Trump and he was fired. Biden had excellent ideas and invested in infrastructure, and the economy rebounded. Of course one effect of the pandemic was GLOBAL inflaion. Right wingers want to pin inflation on Biden but in fact it was a global phenomenon that affected all naions. Biden did one of the best jobs in mitigating the effects of inflation, even though there's no way to go back to cheaper prices once they inflate. The best response is to help support the economy, and that includes protecting migrant workers whose jobs are crucial to keeping prices stable.
Now we hear Harris promising things, but she still not doing anything in terms of actual actions. She is still the VP in power and has the option to do something. The Left is more about words and inaction, with lies and promises assumed to be a good as actions. My brain processes reality first, and ignore politicians, who talk too much, but never do anything. Or even pull the bait and switch like reparations.

I just read that the town in North Carolina, that had the worse flood and death tool, finally got bottled water from FEMA, which was 4 days after the disaster. This too little, too late is the theme of Biden and Harris Administration. This is why we have the war in Ukraine. They did not act proactively to stop it. You would learn more by looking at actions and not depending on words that make you feel good or angry for nothing.
You "heard" this from what source? Given your track record you heard nonsense and lies.
I assume Trump can repeat what he has already done.
More crimes? Yes.
But slacker Harris will foot drag and revert back to what she knows. Project 2025 is a way to redecorate the Goverment so it becomes functional again and not a DNC money pit to steal from.
More unwarranted accusations the come straight from right wing disinformation. I read your posts to find out what right wing disinformation is lying about. What you say seldom matches what is found in reputable media. Thanks God I'm not a MAGA.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
The last paragraph of that post, that's what you got out of it?
That's all that was important in it. People reading Walz's body language to see if he was more nervous? So what -- of course he was more nervous. Vance trained as a lawyer, which focuses heavily on such debates, where Walz is new to it. So what?

Russian interference to help CLinton? Hah! "The Russian government conducted foreign electoral interference in the 2016 United States elections with the goals of sabotaging the presidential campaign of Hillary Clinton, boosting the presidential campaign of Donald Trump, and increasing political and social discord in the United States." Or also: "The goal, as determined by the U.S. intelligence community and backed up by evidence gathered by Special Counsel Robert Mueller: To damage the Clinton campaign, boost Trump’s chances and sow distrust in American democracy overall."i

If someone is not going to respond with accurate information, I'm not going to respond at all.
 
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