The Walking Dead

[Sha'irullah]

Hmmm.....so you don't like The Wire, Deadwood, Rubicon, Rome, Homeland, The Simpsons, Modern Family, The X-Files, Breaking Bad, etc, etc. Well, I'm glad I have such low standards. There's so much more to enjoy as a result.

Good percentage of those shows I have never even heard of. Only ones I know of are The Simpsons and X-Files.

 

[Revoltingest]

Good percentage of those shows I have never even heard of. Only ones I know of are The Simpsons and X-Files.

If you're unfamiliar, then perhaps you don't know Americastanian TV all that well enuf to be so sweeping & harsh in your criticism. I find most of it pretty bad too, but I prefer to focus upon (& watch) greatness.

 

[Sha'irullah]

If you're unfamiliar, then perhaps you don't know Americastanian TV all that well....not enuf to be so harsh in your criticism. I find most of it pretty bad too, but I prefer to focus upon (& watch) greatness.

I have watched a lot of TV and I can undoubtedly say it is horrible. BIg issue for me is that I remember so few of the shows I have watched. The last horrible show I recall watching involved Bryan Cranston as some meth dealer. It left a bad taste in my mouth but he made up for it in Godzilla.

 

[Revoltingest]

I have watched a lot of TV and I can undoubtedly say it is horrible. BIg issue for me is that I remember so few of the shows I have watched. The last horrible show I recall watching involved Bryan Cranston as some meth dealer. It left a bad taste in my mouth but he made up for it in Godzilla.

Aha! So you didn't like Breaking Bad (where you saw Bryan Cranston). It (one of my favorite shows of all time) was supposed to discomforting...great art often is. As for Godzilla...meh...a lesser movie.

 

[Sha'irullah]

Aha! So you didn't like Breaking Bad (where you saw Bryan Cranston). It (one of my favorite shows of all time) was supposed to discomforting...great art often is. As for Godzilla...meh...a lesser movie.

Breaking bad was horrible and I just realized I watch that show. Godzilla on the other hand is my most favorite movie of this entire year. I am a massive Gareth Edwards fan ever since Monsters

 

[Sha'irullah]

Aha! So you didn't like Breaking Bad (where you saw Bryan Cranston). It (one of my favorite shows of all time) was supposed to discomforting...great art often is. As for Godzilla...meh...a lesser movie.

Breaking bad was horrible and I just realized I watch that show. Godzilla on the other hand is my most favorite movie of this entire year. I am a massive Gareth Edwards fan ever since Monsters

 

[Revoltingest]

Breaking bad was horrible and I just realized I watch that show. Godzilla on the other hand is my most favorite movie of this entire year. I am a massive Gareth Edwards fan ever since Monsters

Then perhaps what's good & what's bad is just a matter of personal taste, eh? I miss getting my weekly Breaking Bad fix.

 

[Revoltingest]

And....

 

[Sha'irullah]

And....

I now remember they cancelled the show. I guess the last season wasn't that great. If ya ask me the whole thing never was

 

[Revoltingest]

I now remember they cancelled the show. I guess the last season wasn't that great. If ya ask me the whole thing never was

Fool! The show reached its climax. No point letting something successful continue until it becomes a pale imitation of what it once was, eg, Saturday Night Live.
But you're in luck! There is a spin-off based upon the lawyer, Saul Goodman...."Better Call Saul". I can't wait! Can you?

 

[Father Heathen]

the only good show I have ever seen on TV is House of Cards.

Let me guess; you also liked it before it was cool, right?

This is why I have never watched TV and I am not joking when I say that.

Um...

I have watched a lot of TV

This tells us all we need to know.

 

[dawny0826]

I think we can't judge the death of Beth until we see how it plays in the plot line for the remaining episodes. Deaths in this show are either just to lighten the load of story arcs, or as a catalyst for more growth.

Carol doesn't exist without Ed's death
Carl and Rick's character development was closely tied to Shane and Lori's deaths.
Andrea's slow development came at the death of her sister.
Daryl grew quite a bit after Merle died.
etc., etc...

Beth was developed as a deeper character and even formed a relationship with Daryl for the very purpose of being killed off. She never existed in this show as anything more than a supporting character - and her role is to do what supporting characters do, offer springboards to the main characters and plot lines. Her death is going to play out as her biggest role, and while I feel for Emily Kinney having to leave the set and change her life quite a bit, Beth's legacy is going to be felt for quite a while within the group - probably more than most.

If you recall, the group as a whole hasn't had a chance to grieve after the prison exodus. It's been a road warrior kind of lifestyle since then. Beth's death and the elimination of the threats surrounding their people are going to offer that long-needed grieving period. I imagine the writers have take a more deeply emotion, character-driven, approach with what's coming after the mid-season break. The threats are gone, for now. They don't have the excuse of a constant threat, or of separation, to fuel their escapism. They're going to have to deal with some untended things. It should be good.

No doubt, Beth's death will result in further character development of the others. And I look forward to seeing what's to come. Still...

My overall opinion of the writing this season, stands. The first three episodes were fantastic but the others lacked momentum and a quality of character development that I've come to expect from the show.

I read writer defense regarding Maggie's lack of emotion over Beth's absence. There were multiple opportunities between episodes 3 & 7 for Maggie to express something regarding concern for her sister. A simple mention, so that the viewer knew that Beth was on her mind would have better supported her emotional reaction in episode 8.

Carol's story has yielded logical ending points since Season 3. Her character isn't the same as the Carol in the comic book. The writers continue to make pointed and deliberate choices with Carol. Though, I would have preferred to see Beth's character further developed over Carol's - I can accept that it was Beth's time to go.

I'm displeased with the manner by which they chose to take her out. People have said that it was a brave, dignified way to go.

I disagree. It would have been dignified if she had served the fatal blow to Dawn. She stepped up like a stupid little girl who had to get the last word in and died for it.

And, the end scene was so rushed, had we not had the opportunity to play it back and review it more than once, we would not have been clear as to what happened.

I'm not willing to front that this is the best writing ever. I don't believe that it is. I believe these writers make mistakes as do other show writers. And, certainly, they can't please everyone.

 

[Revoltingest]

Great writing is most often a mix of the pedestrian & the brilliant. Beth's end was clumsy. But the arc of Carol's story is my favorite in the series. I hope it continues.

 

[DreadFish]

Yeah, I just watched the episode yesterday. I thought it was not the best way to write in her death. The way she just decided to stab that woman right during the hand-off was kinda stupid. I dunno. Beth does make the most sense to me as the character to die; she got to prove she was strong and get on by herself then, unfortunately, died tragically, but the way it happened was a bit off. I did like how abrupt and unforeseen it was (except that Rev spoiled it for me )

 

[DreadFish]

I'm displeased with the manner by which they chose to take her out. People have said that it was a brave, dignified way to go.

I disagree. It would have been dignified if she had served the fatal blow to Dawn. She stepped up like a stupid little girl who had to get the last word in and died for it.

And, the end scene was so rushed, had we not had the opportunity to play it back and review it more than once, we would not have been clear as to what happened.

Yeah, this. I already knew Beth was going to die, just not how, so I was watching curiously. Then I see her walk up to Dawn at the last moment and I know shes about to stab her. When she does it, the only thing I can think is "gee Beth, shouldna done that... That was kinda stupid of you...".

It was just quite "meh that was a sucky way to die" for me. Completely unnecessary. I mean, Darrell was the one that killed Dawn; all Beth did was get herself killed unnecessarily. She didn't prove anything, which is disappointing, I liked Beth.

 

[DreadFish]

Fool! The show reached its climax. No point letting something successful continue until it becomes a pale imitation of what it once was, eg, Saturday Night Live.
But you're in luck! There is a spin-off based upon the lawyer, Saul Goodman...."Better Call Saul". I can't wait! Can you?

Im definitely looking forward to it!

 

[Storm]

I'm displeased with the manner by which they chose to take her out. People have said that it was a brave, dignified way to go.

I disagree. It would have been dignified if she had served the fatal blow to Dawn. She stepped up like a stupid little girl who had to get the last word in and died for it.

That's exactly why I thought it was perfect... she WAS. She was on the path to become more, but now she never will. Life does that, sometimes.

As for Maggie, ugh. I liked her at first, but ever since she figured out that the walkers weren't "just sick," she's just been kinda there. Glenn deserves so much better.

 

[jonathan180iq]

The proof of Walking Dead's quality is in watching Z Nation.

That's the damn truth...

 

[jonathan180iq]

No doubt, Beth's death will result in further character development of the others. And I look forward to seeing what's to come. Still...

My overall opinion of the writing this season, stands. The first three episodes were fantastic but the others lacked momentum and a quality of character development that I've come to expect from the show.

I read writer defense regarding Maggie's lack of emotion over Beth's absence. There were multiple opportunities between episodes 3 & 7 for Maggie to express something regarding concern for her sister. A simple mention, so that the viewer knew that Beth was on her mind would have better supported her emotional reaction in episode 8.

Carol's story has yielded logical ending points since Season 3. Her character isn't the same as the Carol in the comic book. The writers continue to make pointed and deliberate choices with Carol. Though, I would have preferred to see Beth's character further developed over Carol's - I can accept that it was Beth's time to go.

I'm displeased with the manner by which they chose to take her out. People have said that it was a brave, dignified way to go.

I disagree. It would have been dignified if she had served the fatal blow to Dawn. She stepped up like a stupid little girl who had to get the last word in and died for it.

And, the end scene was so rushed, had we not had the opportunity to play it back and review it more than once, we would not have been clear as to what happened.

I'm not willing to front that this is the best writing ever. I don't believe that it is. I believe these writers make mistakes as do other show writers. And, certainly, they can't please everyone.

I hear ya on the let-down after the first 3 episodes... I've felt that for quite a while, and it's something that this show does quite often. There is a difference between great story-telling and the making of a television series. The purpose of the series, when you get down to the bare bones of it, is to maintain viewership. This can be done one of two ways. The writers can tell an amazing story and simply lure in hordes of avid fans because it is so mesmerizing... or they can give snippets of greatness while spending most of their time producing filler and implementing long mid-season breaks for the purpose of generating market desire.

For all of the good of The Walking Dead, it has a lot of the latter.

Inevitably, as the show draws in a broader audience, it will have to dumb itself down in order to remain appealing to the broader audience. While there is certainly more depth in the overall core of cast members, the overall story-telling has taken a hit. I'll be the first to admit that. There are flaws and there are much needed scenes that simply don't exist - as the aforementioned Maggie scenario...

I read comments all the time from people who want less drama and just more zombie killing action - That's great, if you are interested in "B" rate dystopian genres... The Walking Dead, and anything within the genre that is striving for a character-driven tale, has to focus more on the human aspect than the simpler slasher-based story.

To this day, the pilot remains the best episode that they've produced - and it kept the zombies in a level of hidden aura until they were needed to come full frontal. That's the way it should be.

 

[Frank Bunneh]

I don't watch much television, especially soap operas but the Walking Dead is one of the few that I will actually watch when I choose to have time, why did they have to kill off that fair haired little cutie?