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The War On Drugs Is A War On Terror.

OutOfTime

Active Member
how about crimes against citizens. in other words, police violence and an increasing police state? you don't have to look at stats, i'm sure you can find higher police violence against people now from tasering and beatings to shootings.
 

Joe_Stocks

Back from the Dead
Hi Outoftime,

you don't have to look at stats, i'm sure you can find higher police violence against people now from tasering and beatings to shootings.

Then how would you know there were higher numbers of these kind of incidents?
 

kai

ragamuffin
the war on drugs is hard because of money , its money that causes the growing ,the producing and refining and the marketing. tobacco is slowly becoming illegal here in the UK so we could hardly say its wrong to smoke tobacco but legalize say Hashish, all drugs cause harm the hospitals are full of people with diseases caused by tobacco and alcohol.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
the war on drugs is hard because of money , its money that causes the growing ,the producing and refining and the marketing. tobacco is slowly becoming illegal here in the UK so we could hardly say its wrong to smoke tobacco but legalize say Hashish, all drugs cause harm the hospitals are full of people with diseases caused by tobacco and alcohol.

Where would you draw the line? There are a lot of unhealthy and addictive things humans consume. Will the state eventually enforce a strictly healthy diet by law? Will organized crime and street gangs have to smuggle in candy and sodas to sell on the black market, where the streets erupt in gang wars over territorial sweets peddling?
 

kai

ragamuffin
Where would you draw the line? There are a lot of unhealthy and addictive things humans consume. Will the state eventually enforce a strictly healthy diet by law? Will organized crime and street gangs have to smuggle in candy and sodas to sell on the black market, where the streets erupt in gang wars over territorial sweets peddling?

well humans can self harm by eating rubbish and causing heart disease etc and everyone else picks up the bill (well here in the UK they do)
 

doppelganger

Through the Looking Glass
Hi dopp.



This is just plain false.
Wrong, Joe. Your article is from 2002. Below I've linked to the data on crime rates from 1960-2006. Pan down a bit and you'll find a column for rates of "violent" crimes per 100,000 population for all 46 years. What jumps out is a spike in violent crimes in the late eighties and early nineties (the decade after the "war on drugs" really started), but that, per capita, violent crime rates have largely otherwise stayed the same since about 1970, fluctuating from 370-500/100,000.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
 
all those who feel we must enact laws to protect people from themselves...please...

we must outlaw:

McDonald, Wendy's, Burger King, Hardee's, Arby's, Coca-Cola, RC Cola, Pepsi, Arizona tea, Philip Morris USA, AH Busch, Keebler Co, Nestle...and the list continues forever.

Believe it or not, caffeine is directly tied to heart disease, a long with all the wonderful fats that we eat...yet I don't hear you screaming to ban them? Probably because you enjoy them personally, and do not wish to have them taken away...that's how you should feel about most all substances...

if you don't like heroine, crack, mj...don't do it. Don't push your "protective" ******** off on us.
 
and as far as organized crime...

Does anyone remember Al Capone, and the mobsters of that time? All that terrible violence was based on the illicit trade of alcohol. Once alcohol was made legal, all those things literally disappeared. The violence related to drugs, 99% of the time, is related to the illegal nature. It's just like alcohol.

People don't typically do heroine, or smoke pot only to go fly a plane into a building...only religious people do that kinda crap.
 

kai

ragamuffin
all those who feel we must enact laws to protect people from themselves...please...

we must outlaw:

McDonald, Wendy's, Burger King, Hardee's, Arby's, Coca-Cola, RC Cola, Pepsi, Arizona tea, Philip Morris USA, AH Busch, Keebler Co, Nestle...and the list continues forever.

Believe it or not, caffeine is directly tied to heart disease, a long with all the wonderful fats that we eat...yet I don't hear you screaming to ban them? Probably because you enjoy them personally, and do not wish to have them taken away...that's how you should feel about most all substances...

if you don't like heroine, crack, mj...don't do it. Don't push your "protective" ******** off on us.


maybe its because it would be extremely rare for someone to rob you for the money to buy a royale with cheese.
 

kai

ragamuffin
and as far as organized crime...

Does anyone remember Al Capone, and the mobsters of that time? All that terrible violence was based on the illicit trade of alcohol. Once alcohol was made legal, all those things literally disappeared. The violence related to drugs, 99% of the time, is related to the illegal nature. It's just like alcohol.

People don't typically do heroine, or smoke pot only to go fly a plane into a building...only religious people do that kinda crap.

you forgot about prostitution and extortion, loan sharking, murder inc ,
 

oldcajun

__BE REAL
What a real joke, Gov'ts can secure the borders from terrorist who use radical means of killing others even if it means killing themselves, but can't plug a leak for these dapper dons with manicures to get the dope to fuel their lifestyles, pleeeze!


Take for example Afghanistan, were 80% of the World's heroine is grown, today with so many nations being physically there with army troops no less, can't secure those fields and destroy them with series of carpet bombs. Instead you have these poppy growers able to cultivate, process and actually smuggle their product out from their territory, under all those nations noses and then, smuggle them into our countries.


Only when druglords reach a certain status, does the Gov't move with laws in hand ready to arrest confiscate all materials, including cash, bank accounts in every countries of the world, properties and wealth. This is a hidden tax at the expense of the people and their children. Everyone knows drugs are a gateway for the demons to possess, and the cost to victims because of such crimes of possesion, for when drug user consume, they don't engage in moral or lawful activity, you never hear someone after sniffing a line, "let's go do some volunteer work at the hospital" or "let's help the homeless." But you will see them holding up the corner store, plotting aggression or engage in the sex trade to keep the habit, never knowing how skillfully plotted our Elite's who govern us have sold them to the power of the demons.


The next time these officials running for office cross your path, I'd lay it squarely before them, as why US troops aren't carpet bombing the opium fields now that we are there and have reason, since this contraband money fuels the terrorists and their activities carried out accross the World. The war on drugs can only be won, when they take the war on terrorism seriously!

Even at home our government (US) has never really waged a serious war against illegal drugs. When serious laws with serious penalties are made and enforced the drugs will begin to disappear.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
Even at home our government (US) has never really waged a serious war against illegal drugs. When serious laws with serious penalties are made and enforced the drugs will begin to disappear.

The United States has utilized the U.S. military in the war on drugs.

The U.S. funds and supplies both material and manpower in South America in a decades long interdiction effort to reduce supply. They personally train and become personally involved in the law enforcement efforts in other nations.

The Bill of Rights were rewritten primarily because of the efforts of federal and local agencies to conduct various law enforcement efforts in the drug war. Penalties for being involved in illicit substances routinely carry harsher penalties than child molestors, murderers and white collar criminals who cause far more damage to this nation than a drug dealer.

If you believe the nation has never waged a serious war against drugs then you have no idea about what is going on in this nation.
 
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Lightbringer

New Member
Greetings
This is something that sad to say is going to be a never ending circle. As I grew up the same issues still continues, and no matter what you are never going to see an end unless folk say no and no too the war on drugs.
If you look at it with an open mind this drug thing goes back into the ancient past come to think. So you can see how long things go do back and I feel where this whole idea came from? Big money sad to say and where there is money to be made, you will always find a willing individual to go along and take the place of another.

It will take something and I wait till I see the day that this is so:help:!!

Best Wishes

Lightbringer:candle:
 

kai

ragamuffin
Greetings
This is something that sad to say is going to be a never ending circle. As I grew up the same issues still continues, and no matter what you are never going to see an end unless folk say no and no too the war on drugs.
If you look at it with an open mind this drug thing goes back into the ancient past come to think. So you can see how long things go do back and I feel where this whole idea came from? Big money sad to say and where there is money to be made, you will always find a willing individual to go along and take the place of another.

It will take something and I wait till I see the day that this is so:help:!!

Best Wishes

Lightbringer:candle:

yes its all about the money, to fight the drug dealers you have to concentrate on their money not so much on the drugs, money is traceable, "cash" is a big problem for drug dealers , the way to success is through the banking and revenues system.
 
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