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The war on drugs

Is your government too soft or too hard on drug offenders?

  • Too hard

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • Too soft

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • Other

    Votes: 4 23.5%

  • Total voters
    17

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
it balanced the chemical imbalance in my brain
Brain's are characterized by imbalance. The only brains that are balanced are those of the dead. However, I've addressed this before:
I have scanned and uploaded a paper:
Glasser, W. (2005). Warning: Psychiatry can be hazardous to your mental health. in R. H. Wright & N. A Cummings (Eds.) Destructive Trends in Mental Health: The Well Intentioned Path to Harm (pp. 113-128).Routledge. It was the best source I could provide that fit my criteria
1) Was written by an expert in an academic publication
2) Was accessible to the layperson
3) Was short (compared to e.g., one of the monographs, doctoral theses, or accessible academic books on the subject I have).

It is rather ironic that this thread began so close to an email from my sister on a paper they were asked to read for a graduate class she is taking to become a nurse practitioner:
[Here's most of the rest of that post]
Barker, P., & Buchanan-Barker, P. (2012). First, do no harm: Confronting the myths of psychiatric drugs . Nursing ethics.

I had many problems with this paper, but they reflect a certain disagreement between two camps that both reject the biomedical model. One camp perceives mental illness more as a way that society defines deviance in order to control it, in terms of social theory rather than theories within the medical and biological sciences, and in short a sort of entirely social "construct" with at best minimal basis in medical sciences. This viewpoint I reject. Rather, my criticisms of the biomedical model stem from the ways in which diagnoses were created/constructed based on serious symptoms that are not and should be thought of as somehow personal "flaws" one must overcome or "snap out of." The extent to which the diagnoses described in the two definitive reference guides match some set(s) of distinct pathologies is unknown, but was is known is that the evidence has provided far more against this view than it has for it. In particular, the "chemical imbalance" propaganda is as nonsensical as it is definable (i.e., completely).

Baughman, F. (2006). There is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder/disease/chemical imbalance. PLoS medicine, 3(7), e318.

Leo, J., & Lacasse, J. R. (2008). The media and the chemical imbalance theory of depression. Society, 45(1), 35-45.

Lacasse, J. R., & Leo, J. (2005). Serotonin and depression: A disconnect between the advertisements and the scientific literature. PLoS medicine, 2(12), e392.

France, C. M., Lysaker, P. H., & Robinson, R. P. (2007). The" chemical imbalance" explanation for depression: Origins, lay endorsement, and clinical implications. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 38(4), 411. [see upload]

The problem, however, isn't simply a matter of academic dispute or the fact that "all models are wrong, but some are useful." It's that, while many of those who equate mental disorders with cancer in a noble attempt at diminishing unwarranted and counter-productive stigmata end up potentially inhibiting recovery and treatment in at least 2 ways. The first is that the effects of the "mental disorders are diseases like any other" campaign doesn't seem to have destigmatized mental health issues, does seem to have hampered or made less likely recovery (Deacon, B. J., & Baird, G. L. (2009). The chemical imbalance explanation of depression: reducing blame at what cost?. Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology, 28(4), 415-435.), all the while contributing to an industry fueled by a medical science applying a diagnostic model based upon subjective classification and clustering of symptoms among other arbitrary (and non-arbitrary) factors (Lacasse, J. R., & Leo, J. (2005). Serotonin and depression: A disconnect between the advertisements and the scientific literature. PLoS medicine, 2(12), e392.)

Mental health is a very (literally deadly) health concern. The answer is not to treat it as if we can rest assured that medical doctors (whose knowledge of the brain tends to be lesser than that of a beginning graduate student in various fields of psychiatry) are the authority simply because they not only defined the disorders into existence but did so claiming that they were illnesses like any other. After over 40 years of count-evidence without supporting evidence, it is time to recognize that the reality is far more complex.

Depression is never caused by a "chemical imbalance", as brain function is imbalance. To define an imbalanced norm in relation to an abnormal imbalance is usually impossible, hence papers like:

Baughman, F. (2006). There is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder/disease/chemical imbalance. PLoS medicine, 3(7), e318.

Despite the directness of that paper's title, it's virtually useless as a paper. However, there are far better and freely available peer-reviewed studies and peer-reviewed literature reviews:


Leo, J., & Lacasse, J. R. (2008). The media and the chemical imbalance theory of depression. Society, 45(1), 35-45.

France, C. M., Lysaker, P. H., & Robinson, R. P. (2007). The "chemical imbalance" explanation for depression: Origins, lay endorsement, and clinical implications. Professional psychology: research and practice, 38(4), 411.

and so much more. When we do neuroimaging studies we don't try to define some baseline even one for a specific participants. Neurobiology and the associated chemical fluctuations make this impossible. Yet what we cannot even find in neuroscience is used to define discrete diseases in psychiatry. It's been over 30 years since psychiatry switched to a diagnostic model and defined mental illnesses as discrete diseases no different from any other, yet there is no evidence for this and the bulk of research indicates it cannot be true (perhaps the most defensible model is that any innate, biological aspects of mental illness consist of predisposition to a range of mental disorders which vary based upon different environmental contexts. These contexts could mean that the predisposition never manifests at all, manifests as one among many quite similar disorders.

...and many more. Mental health is an extremely serious issue, but so is prescribing meds that generally aren't that much more efficacious than placebos and that have increasingly become street drugs. This nonsense about chemical imbalance isn't just idiotically perverse, it stands in the way of understanding mental health issues largely so that psychiatry can retain its dominant position amonst mental health practitioners..



Also, with the help of adderoll, I have a great job that I enjoy.
With the help of heroin, I've relieved depression and enjoyed life. I'm prescribed Adderall (amphetamine salts), as well as Valium (Diazapam, a benzo). I've no problem with the use of drugs such as these to cope with symptoms of diagnoses that are defined into existence. I have a problem with the outright lie that these "treat" some disease and that they do anything other than what they do when used recreationally.

When people claim that ADD doesn't exist or should be suffered through, it shows their immense ignorance on the subject.

It's true that I am not a psychiatrist (who receive little training as to the nature of the brain) nor a clinical psychologist (who receive far more). My field is neuroscience (and none of my research has more than barely touched upon clinical neuroscience). That said, any moron who asserts that ADD is exists hasn't read the latest editions of the DSM and ICD, let alone a basic grasp of neurobiology.


I have studied all the drugs that I tried workiing up to my current dose, and it makes perfect sense why Lexapro was the one for me.
Surprising, given that it doesn't make "perfect sense" to clinical psychologists or in psychiatry.

Also, understanding how ADD effects an individal in terms of adrenalin production in the brain, adderoll helps quite a bit too.
Here my field actually does relate quite directly, and I can say quite directly that this is BS. It is flawed at the core.

I've no wish to diminish the import of understanding and treating mental health issues. Quite the opposite. Which is why I desire to rid the implanted notions from pharmaceutical companies and psychiatry such as "chemical imbalance" which is required for brain function.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
Brain's are characterized by imbalance. The only brains that are balanced are those of the dead. However, I've addressed this before:



[Here's most of the rest of that post]
Barker, P., & Buchanan-Barker, P. (2012). First, do no harm: Confronting the myths of psychiatric drugs . Nursing ethics.

I had many problems with this paper, but they reflect a certain disagreement between two camps that both reject the biomedical model. One camp perceives mental illness more as a way that society defines deviance in order to control it, in terms of social theory rather than theories within the medical and biological sciences, and in short a sort of entirely social "construct" with at best minimal basis in medical sciences. This viewpoint I reject. Rather, my criticisms of the biomedical model stem from the ways in which diagnoses were created/constructed based on serious symptoms that are not and should be thought of as somehow personal "flaws" one must overcome or "snap out of." The extent to which the diagnoses described in the two definitive reference guides match some set(s) of distinct pathologies is unknown, but was is known is that the evidence has provided far more against this view than it has for it. In particular, the "chemical imbalance" propaganda is as nonsensical as it is definable (i.e., completely).

Baughman, F. (2006). There is no such thing as a psychiatric disorder/disease/chemical imbalance. PLoS medicine, 3(7), e318.

Leo, J., & Lacasse, J. R. (2008). The media and the chemical imbalance theory of depression. Society, 45(1), 35-45.

Lacasse, J. R., & Leo, J. (2005). Serotonin and depression: A disconnect between the advertisements and the scientific literature. PLoS medicine, 2(12), e392.

France, C. M., Lysaker, P. H., & Robinson, R. P. (2007). The" chemical imbalance" explanation for depression: Origins, lay endorsement, and clinical implications. Professional Psychology: Research and Practice, 38(4), 411. [see upload]

The problem, however, isn't simply a matter of academic dispute or the fact that "all models are wrong, but some are useful." It's that, while many of those who equate mental disorders with cancer in a noble attempt at diminishing unwarranted and counter-productive stigmata end up potentially inhibiting recovery and treatment in at least 2 ways. The first is that the effects of the "mental disorders are diseases like any other" campaign doesn't seem to have destigmatized mental health issues, does seem to have hampered or made less likely recovery (Deacon, B. J., & Baird, G. L. (2009). The chemical imbalance explanation of depression: reducing blame at what cost?. Journal of Social and Clinical Psychology, 28(4), 415-435.), all the while contributing to an industry fueled by a medical science applying a diagnostic model based upon subjective classification and clustering of symptoms among other arbitrary (and non-arbitrary) factors (Lacasse, J. R., & Leo, J. (2005). Serotonin and depression: A disconnect between the advertisements and the scientific literature. PLoS medicine, 2(12), e392.)

Mental health is a very (literally deadly) health concern. The answer is not to treat it as if we can rest assured that medical doctors (whose knowledge of the brain tends to be lesser than that of a beginning graduate student in various fields of psychiatry) are the authority simply because they not only defined the disorders into existence but did so claiming that they were illnesses like any other. After over 40 years of count-evidence without supporting evidence, it is time to recognize that the reality is far more complex.



...and many more. Mental health is an extremely serious issue, but so is prescribing meds that generally aren't that much more efficacious than placebos and that have increasingly become street drugs. This nonsense about chemical imbalance isn't just idiotically perverse, it stands in the way of understanding mental health issues largely so that psychiatry can retain its dominant position amonst mental health practitioners..




With the help of heroin, I've relieved depression and enjoyed life. I'm prescribed Adderall (amphetamine salts), as well as Valium (Diazapam, a benzo). I've no problem with the use of drugs such as these to cope with symptoms of diagnoses that are defined into existence. I have a problem with the outright lie that these "treat" some disease and that they do anything other than what they do when used recreationally.



It's true that I am not a psychiatrist (who receive little training as to the nature of the brain) nor a clinical psychologist (who receive far more). My field is neuroscience (and none of my research has more than barely touched upon clinical neuroscience). That said, any moron who asserts that ADD is exists hasn't read the latest editions of the DSM and ICD, let alone a basic grasp of neurobiology.



Surprising, given that it doesn't make "perfect sense" to clinical psychologists or in psychiatry.


Here my field actually does relate quite directly, and I can say quite directly that this is BS. It is flawed at the core.

I've no wish to diminish the import of understanding and treating mental health issues. Quite the opposite. Which is why I desire to rid the implanted notions from pharmaceutical companies and psychiatry such as "chemical imbalance" which is required for brain function.
All I'm saying is that one anti-depressant has been extremely effective for me. I know this is not a placebo effect, as the other 5-6 alternatives did absolutely nothing, and the one I ended up with took over 6 weeks to do anything positive. I know there are plenty of psychiatrists who agree with you, just as I know there are probably more that don't, but I don't have to trust the opinions of others on this subject. I have see psychiatry change my life for the better first hand. So, while there are problems and abuses, it would be prudent of you to mention the positives that have arose as well.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
So, while there are problems and abuses, it would be prudent of you to mention the positives that have arose as well.
I have elsewhere, and here I might mention positives to keeping drugs illegal. But my interest is not in psychiatry at all here, but in the folly of the "war on drugs".
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
-talkytalkytalkytalktalk-
We have some serious differences of opinion here, ones that I genuinely do not care remotely enough to go into, but I'll give my general feeling on psychiatric medication & just meds & drugs in general;

They're fun and generally I've seen more people hurt by being denied them than having them. Over-the-counter everything. Really, what's the worst that will happen? Drug addictions tend to be dangerous because of the societal problems in obtaining them, less what they actually do to you. Do note I'm excepting Alcohol, but honestly I don't think that should really count in the manner of amphetamines & opiates. Alcohol just sorta drowns the CNS, like lyrica or what have you.
 
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