The Watchmaker Revisited

[Thief]

Speak for yourself.

you were born with a slate untouched

but now you seem to be......'touched'

 

[Rational Agnostic]

I'm done. This is my last post on these forums. I'll let the atheists that run the place lick their wounds and gnash their teeth, I've got better things to do. As Eric Cartman would say, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

bye

 

[columbus]

I'm done. This is my last post on these forums. I'll let the atheists that run the place lick their wounds and gnash their teeth, I've got better things to do. As Eric Cartman would say, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

Given the number of assertions you've had handed back to you on a silver platter, I am not surprised.
This happens a lot when religionists venture out onto level playing fields like RF.
Tom

 

[BilliardsBall]

Just a quick aside.

The trouble with science and religion is assumption.

If a man from primitive earth is walking along the beach and comes across a watch it's assumed that man would think the watch had a designer. Not necessarily. It's quite possible the man would think "What a pretty rock, I think it would look cool if I rubbed some **** in my beard and stuck it there."

It's also possible that the man would think "That's not a bad watch. Not as good as the ones on my home planet Rolex V but, not bad at all. . . "

There's no reason why we can't have a sense of humor.

Yes, we must all be cautious about presumption, presupposition and assumptions. But ask yourself, are problems of infinite regression and conservation of matter and energy, when speaking of the universe, presumptuous?

 

[shunyadragon]

Just a quick aside.

The trouble with science and religion is assumption.

If a man from primitive earth is walking along the beach and comes across a watch it's assumed that man would think the watch had a designer. Not necessarily. It's quite possible the man would think "What a pretty rock, I think it would look cool if I rubbed some **** in my beard and stuck it there."

It's also possible that the man would think "That's not a bad watch. Not as good as the ones on my home planet Rolex V but, not bad at all. . . "

There's no reason why we can't have a sense of humor.

Waiting , , ,

 

[shunyadragon]

Yes, we must all be cautious about presumption, presupposition and assumptions. But ask yourself, are problems of infinite regression and conservation of matter and energy, when speaking of the universe, presumptuous?

No, infinite regression and the conservation of energy and matter are only problems with creationists trying to create problems in their own minds.

Another thought, if energy and matter cannot be Created nor destroyed than there was no initial Creation in the first place.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

Just a quick aside.

The trouble with science and religion is assumption.

If a man from primitive earth is walking along the beach and comes across a watch it's assumed that man would think the watch had a designer. Not necessarily. It's quite possible the man would think "What a pretty rock, I think it would look cool if I rubbed some **** in my beard and stuck it there."

It's also possible that the man would think "That's not a bad watch. Not as good as the ones on my home planet Rolex V but, not bad at all. . . "

There's no reason why we can't have a sense of humor.

And what does the man think of a stone that he sees on the same beach? Isn't your position that God made the stone also? Therefore isn't the stone just as grand an object? Why all this focus on a watch?

 

[Audie]

don't go yet.....

think revenge

Hey it was his best possible post.

And he even showed a sense of humour!
"let the atheists lick their wounds"!

 

[ChristineM]

Oh really? I'll get me a copy of it when you've completed the Watchtower's 1971 tome, Aid In Understanding the Bible.

That is misleading title. If the author was honest it would have read something along the lines of "Aid in interpreting the Bible in the JW tradition"

Yes i have had the misfortune of reading the watchtower on several occasions. "Your health" was particularly insightful in understanding the con trick used. Made with a throw away copy of a health service magazine as the flysheet.

 

[ChristineM]

I'm done. This is my last post on these forums. I'll let the atheists that run the place lick their wounds and gnash their teeth, I've got better things to do. As Eric Cartman would say, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

Wow

 

[Audie]

The sound of air seeping from an empty balloon...

 

[ChristineM]

I demonstrated the hypocrisy in that already, what's the point in repeating it?

I can teach you the Bible. Ask me anything. I invited anyone here on a religious forum, which is not unlike like every other religious forum I've been to in that they consist primarily of disgruntled atheists proselytizing science and collectively you couldn't abide me asking just one question regarding Amphipithecus . . . no it was Aegyptopithecus . . . You, again collectively, could only tell me to read and accept the links they pulled in a quick search, and then have the nerve to complain at MY lack of interest?

The hypocrisy, arrogance and ignorance astounds me.

You knock science with lies yet object, comolasin and run when you are challenged on a public forum. The mind boggles at the patronising hypocrisy, arrogance, condescension and ignorance. It truly astounds me.

 

[Audie]

You knock science with lies yet object, comolasin and run when you are challenged on a public forum. The mind boggles at the patronising hypocrisy, arrogance, condescension and ignorance. It truly astounds me.

Thing is, in a crazy sense he won.

He got what he came for.

It is a thing that certain people do-
so that they can go back to creo-land
and report that they argued a whole
roomfull of atheists to a standstill,

In the process they suffer-oh how they do
suffer- the insults, ad homs, the dishonest,
the expected but still shocking vicious, illogical,
uneducated bigotry, and all that is inevitably
hurled by those of low degree at the prophets.

But, they leave us, proudly erect, unfazed.
Leave us, licking our wounds!

Meanwhile, we've supplied them with stories
to tell back in creoland.

Maybe we should get a little smarter about


don't feed the troll - Google Search:

 

[columbus]

"let the atheists lick their wounds"!

"the atheists who run this place", specifically.
I wonder if @lewisnotmiller will let me lick his for him.
Tom

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

I'll let the atheists that run the place lick their wounds... I've got better things to do. As Eric Cartman would say, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

Any atheists participating in the thread feel "wounded?" Show of hands?

I'm confident that this feeling was pretty one-sided. Ever wonder what the phrase "Screw you guys, I'm going home." was meant to portray about how Cartman felt?

 

[ChristineM]

Thing is, in a crazy sense he won.

He got what he came for.

It is a thing that certain people do-
so that they can go back to creo-land
and report that they argued a whole
roomfull of atheists to a standstill,

In the process they suffer-oh how they do
suffer- the insults, ad homs, the dishonest,
the expected but still shocking vicious, illogical,
uneducated bigotry, and all that is inevitably
hurled by those of low degree at the prophets.

But, they leave us, proudly erect, unfazed.
Leave us, licking our wounds!

Meanwhile, we've supplied them with stories
to tell back in creoland.

Maybe we should get a little smarter about


don't feed the troll - Google Search:

Some people lead a very sad life

 

[Nakosis]

Just a quick aside.

The trouble with science and religion is assumption.

I think it is more a problem with storytelling. Folks create a plausible story and tend to believe it's true without any possible verification.

Even science people create stories based on what evidence is available which may or may not match the reality. These remain theoretical until either proven or disproven. People should understand these theories can be wrong.

Religions also create stories which may seem perfectly plausible to the believer. However with religion there is generally not a requirement for verification. What is asked by religion is faith and conviction. Requirements that science criticizes. If/when faith and conviction supersedes verification in religion or science then the truth is not what one seeks. They end up seeking another plausible story to support their conviction.

Faith and conviction should be avoided if one seeks the truth.

 

[Audie]

I think it is more a problem with storytelling. Folks create a plausible story and tend to believe it's true without any possible verification.

Even science people create stories based on what evidence is available which may or may not match the reality. These remain theoretical until either proven or disproven. People should understand these theories can be wrong.

Religions also create stories which may seem perfectly plausible to the believer. However with religion there is generally not a requirement for verification. What is asked by religion is faith and conviction. Requirements that science criticizes. If/when faith and conviction supersedes verification in religion or science then the truth is not what one seeks. They end up seeking another plausible story to support their conviction.

Faith and conviction should be avoided if one seeks the truth.

Harsh! Faith and conviction are the very foundation of
Christianity and other religions.

 

[sealchan]

I would like to day to any atheist out there on this forum, thank you. As a believer who wants to see growth in the faith of my choice I very much appreciate the concern and passion you bring to this forum. Literalism needs critical thinking so that it may be relegated to the dustbins of time.

Given the number of assertions you've had handed back to you on a silver platter, I am not surprised.
This happens a lot when religionists venture out onto level playing fields like RF.
Tom

This post resulted in my atheist lovefest post...Thank you atheists

 

[David1967]

I'm done. This is my last post on these forums. I'll let the atheists that run the place lick their wounds and gnash their teeth, I've got better things to do. As Eric Cartman would say, "Screw you guys, I'm going home."

Just so you know, there are plenty of people here who are not atheists. In fact we are a pretty diverse crew with many differing opinions. That being said, it is a debate forum. If you don't want your views challenged, why are you putting them out here? Unless of course you simply want to proselytize....which is against the rules BTW. But seriously. Don't go away mad. Relax ,have fun.