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The Western Left-Hand Path

Kapalika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Did you not reference the user in your post I was responding to? :facepalm:



You must have missed the OP, that big explanation where I said it's good LaVey isn't taken seriously now, and called him a plagarist. Further, if I were explaining the importance of St. Peter to Christianity, does that mean I support St. Peter, that I agree with him?

This is absurd.

You're post was not clear:

And you're welcome to that opinion. You're not welcome to come here like a hostile child insulting a group simply because you disagree. Hell even LaVey was against such a thing! I appreciate your adult input.

There isn't anyway to know from that post after quoting me that you refereed to @Mindmaster and not me, particularly when I was siding with him. Normally when you quote someone's post it is understood that you are responding to them. It is perfectly reasonable to assume you were talking to me and not @Mindmaster when you quoted my post and posted what you did.

I'm calling it a night now lol
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
You're post was not clear:



There isn't anyway to know from that post after quoting me that you refereed to @Mindmaster and not me, particularly when I was siding with him. Normally when you quote someone's post it is understood that you are responding to them. It is perfectly reasonable to assume you were talking to me and not @Mindmaster when you quoted my post and posted what you did.

I'm calling it a night now lol

I literally thanked you for your adult input, and you simultaneously thought I was calling you childish. Perhaps you should not drink and forum, ha!
 
There is a lot of propaganda, confusion, and simple absence of knowledge on the topic of the Western Left-Hand Path (WLHP). In the first category we have individuals who believe the WLHP is evil, wholly selfish, and overall generally frown upon it. In the second category there are those who believe that the WLHP claims heritage of the Eastern Left-Hand Path (ELHP), that the WLHP somehow does not exist, or that it is inauthentic in some way. Some simply have no idea the WLHP is a thing. I would like to alleviate some of these concerns.


The best place to start is the beginning, and the WLHP does not claim a very ancient one. One thing that almost everyone gets correct about the WLHP is that it can be essentially equated to Satanism. I fought this a long time myself, but only because I was misinformed and ignorant (and I highly recommend the newish text “The Invention of Satanism”). Rather than being as simplistic as LaVeyan Satanism or pure reactive Satanism (pseudo-satanism), Satanism has become a complex movement consisting of everything from the aforementioned groups to mature, esoteric, and academic groups such as the Temple of Set. Look at how respected Dr. Stephen Flowers has become in the academic occult community, especially his Lords of the Left Hand Path.


However, up until the formation of the Church of Satan in 1966, there really was no organized, religious form of Satanism. There were romanticized Satanism or the use of satanic imagery to mock the church, such as with the Hell-Fire clubs, but there was not a large, organized, evolving community. That all started with LaVey, and so the WLHP, despite what many claim or think, only traces its roots back 50 years. While LaVey may be taken much less seriously today (rightly so?), there is no denying his importance in this matter. There would be no WLHP without LaVey. He turned “satanic” ideals of self-betterment, enlightenment-era thinking, acceptance of the material world, and all similar beliefs into one complete and organized religious system. Sure many of the ideas had been touched on before, but LaVey synthesized them (to the point of plagiarism?) in a whole new way.


Despite LaVey’s atheistic and pantheistic leanings, Satanism / the WLHP has evolved over time in to many different paths, including Luciferianism, Setianism, Ahrimanism, Dionysianism (sp?), and all such similar paths. All together these make up the WLHP, and they all share certain common traits – apathy towards cultural norms/values, a high respect for subjective experience, and perhaps most importantly, a focus on the individual Self. This is taken to the extreme extent of self-deification, whether that means becoming metaphorically godlike in this life, or literally continuing as godlike being after death. Many people try and say that the WLHP is invalid and such because of this, as the traditional LHP in the East still had the goal of the loss of ego, nirvana, etc. This, however, is specifically WHY the WLHP specifies that it is not Eastern in its very name. The WLHP is also apathetic to values and such, rather than strictly heterodox in nature. In some of Don Webb’s texts from the Temple of Set, for instance, he explicitly explains that sometimes teaming up with authority can be a means to success and power. A follower of the WLHP will obey State laws not because they accept the authority of the state, but because the punishment is not worth the reward. Try getting a meaningful job with multiple felonies, for example. Understanding how the system works does not mean one agrees with or supports it.



So yes, there is a lot of misunderstanding and lies about the WLHP. It boils down to nothing more than that. The WLHP is not evil, and practitioners tend to keep out of trouble. Something like assaulting a man you are upset with would never be worth the monetary and temporal loss. The WLHP does not claim a relation to the ELHP, heterodoxy and loss of the self are not of interest to practitioners of the WLHP. It’s also ridiculous to claim that the WLHP somehow is not real or is inauthentic, and there are many academic works out there discussing the topic, the two best I’ve read already being mentioned, and containing many more sources within them. Finally, to view the WLHP as selfish in some way is not entirely accurate. The WLHP essentially deifies the Self, but not just the individuals Self, the Self in general. All people are individuals, and so all people are deified at least to an extent. Yes, in the WLHP there is no belief that all people are eternally equal, and people can certainly be seen as “beyond hope”, but this is not the same as the selfishness often presented.


I hope this clears up some concerns or misunderstandings, and will answer any questions.
So you guys just like the acronym then. That's what I've been saying all along.

No relation to the real McCoy whatsoever. Thanks for finally admitting it.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
So you guys just like the acronym then. That's what I've been saying all along.

No relation to the real McCoy whatsoever. Thanks for finally admitting it.

I think it's ironic that you call yourself left hand path in any sense, but cannot accept a philosophy explicitly because it's original and not traditional.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
I'm just going to keep on doing what I do however you want to categorize it: develop my mind, cure my psychological hangups, build skillfulness, and evolve.
 

EtuMalku

Abn Iblis ابن إبليس
I'm with ya CC, I've concluded I'm the only one who knows what's going on in my head and thus I must right !

I like absolutes, and there aren't any with this subject. Forward.
 
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