The whys of Hell and Jesus.

[angellous_evangellous]

I cannot account for your feigned or real lack of comprehension. So I question the value of me trying again.

I can see from your answers that your Western protestant theology is horribly lacking. Its black or white simplicity answers almost no questions. I imagine you are totally convinced the moment one dies they are immediately assigned to heaven or hell. And because you have been assured for your own personal state, that settles it.

Yes, you love your Bible and you love your favored preachers.

Say it ain't so, jojom! It looks like our friend has no idea who s/he is talking to. hahaha

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I have neither the time nor the desire to research the body of work of said author, expert.

Bingo!

 

[thau]

Bingo!

I wonder... do you have time to research all of my many answers from the past?

I did not think so. But if you had you would notice I take the time to give answers with explanations. You would also notice I rarely avoid difficult questions or challenges.

So sorry I am being honest here about not having the time to afford this "esteemed" character his due.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

So sorry I am being honest here about not having the time to afford this "esteemed" character his due.

I'm delighted by your honesty and feel that I have given each of you all due esteem.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Are you suggesting that the torment stops yet the smoke continues? Possible I guess, but it's certainly not an event worth mentioning. Why bother mentioning the smoke if it has nothing to do with the ongoing condition of the sinner? There isn't any. The reason the passage bothers to mention the smoke going up forever is because it indicates what is happening to create it: the torment that goes on forever.

You're forgetting Matthew 18:8

It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
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and Matthew 25:41

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
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You mean the word "hell," not the whole phrase. But so what? Hell still remains hell, as does being thrown into its eternal/everlasting fire. Any other place you know of that has eternal/everlasting fire?
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What is the ' eternal fire ' of Matthew 25:41 for the devil and his angels but as Revelation 21:8 B says the ' second death '
So, ' second death ' is where the wicked end up. Is Satan wicked ?______ What does Psalms 92:7 say ?
Since Jesus destroys Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B - then ' second death ' is a fitting term for: eternal destruction.
Just as fire destroys forever, so will Satan and wicked ones also be eternally destroyed forever.
There are two choices according to 2 Peter 3:9 of repent or perish. Doesn't perish mean destruction ?_______​

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Well, if Scriptures says so, then it must be true. But do you really believe it? Do you really believe that there were two fully formed adult persons without childhood and without parents that started all this a few thousands year ago?
So, can we say that the pinnacle of God's work (the first two humans), were relatively perfect?
And if God is the only perfect thing that can exists, that would entail that God cannot possibly create absolutely perfect things. Is that correct?
That is not real freedom. Real freedom is when you can do something without consequences from a higher power or authority. Otherwise things like "the land of the free" would not make any sense. Every country would be the "land of the free". Iran and North Korea included.
Ciao
- viole
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Real freedom is the ' freedom to act responsibly ' toward God and others.
Who would want to live in a country where murder is legal ?

Why shouldn't I believe what Scripture teaches. No one denied the genealogical list ending at Luke 3:38 as Adam being a real person.
The ancestral listing starting at 1 Chronicles 1:1 lists Adam as a real person. See also Deuteronomy 4:32
Who living around the first century wrote that what was written about Adam was wrong?

Adam had parents: His Father (Life Giver ) was God, and mother earth, so to speak, was mother.
Adam was made from the dust of the ground. God breathed the ' breath of life ' into inanimate Adam - Genesis 2:7
They were created perfect for living forever on earth. What did they lack ?
They had plenty of food, water, air, shelter, sound healthy hearts, minds and bodies designed to last forever.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It was still a sacrifice. Why does he have to remain dead? If he didn't rise again, then he wouldn't be God, would he? I think, deep down, you are still interested in religion. Were you bitter when you first left? Many people who leave a religion remain bitter their whole lives.

According to Scripture God is from everlasting to everlasting, so God can Not die. - Psalms 90:2

Please keep in mind that the dead Jesus did Not raise himself from the dead.
According to the Scriptures: God resurrected the dead Jesus out of biblical hell (the grave )
- Acts of the Apostles 3:15; Acts of the Apostles 13:30; Romans 4:24

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, but He did not stay dead long, did He? So what sort of sacrifice was that?
Ciao
- viole

A ' faithful sacrifice ' is the sort of sacrifice that was.
Satan challenges ALL of us - Job 2:4-5 - that to ' touch our flesh ' ( loose physical health ) and we would turn away from God.
Both Job and Jesus under adverse conditions proved Satan to be a liar and so can we.
Adam proved ' faithless ' in least, Job and Jesus proved ' faithful ' in MUCH.

 

[thau]

Say it ain't so, jojom! It looks like our friend has no idea who s/he is talking to. hahaha

Yes, and whose fault is that?

Was it not Jesus who said “suffer the little children to come unto me?”
I am trying to do my part, but you appear to be too hung up on appearances. (speaking of trying to be "cool")

 

[jojom]

What is the ' eternal fire ' of Matthew 25:41 for the devil and his angels but as Revelation 21:8 B says the ' second death '
So, ' second death ' is where the wicked end up. Is Satan wicked ?______ What does Psalms 92:7 say ?
Since Jesus destroys Satan - Hebrews 2:14 B - then ' second death ' is a fitting term for: eternal destruction.
Just as fire destroys forever, so will Satan and wicked ones also be eternally destroyed forever.
There are two choices according to 2 Peter 3:9 of repent or perish. Doesn't perish mean destruction ?_______​

Gotta answer my questions first.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Gotta answer my questions first.

What about this accusation that you're a closet evangelical?

 

[jojom]

What about this accusation that you're a closet evangelical?

Let's just say that someone is going to be sleeping with the fishes.


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[angellous_evangellous]

Let's just say that someone is going to be sleeping with the fishes.


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I respect you enough to despise you for what you actually are.

*kidding, of course* -- I think it's hilarious that our friend is so obtuse.

 

[viole]

Who would want to live in a country where murder is legal ?

Al Capone, I guess.

Incidentally, I am thrilled that you do not identify abortion with murder. if you did, then an obvious answer to your question would be: "all people who want to go to live in Switzerland", for instance.

Why shouldn't I believe what Scripture teaches. No one denied the genealogical list ending at Luke 3:38 as Adam being a real person.
The ancestral listing starting at 1 Chronicles 1:1 lists Adam as a real person. See also Deuteronomy 4:32
Who living around the first century wrote that what was written about Adam was wrong?

Because all the evidence in the world suggests that there never was a first couple of humans. So, you have basically three choices

1) Demote some parts of the Bible from literal to symbolic language
2) Deny basically all of science
3) Realize that the Bible has been written by ancient people without a clue

Adam had parents: His Father (Life Giver ) was God, and mother earth, so to speak, was mother.
Adam was made from the dust of the ground. God breathed the ' breath of life ' into inanimate Adam - Genesis 2:7
They were created perfect for living forever on earth. What did they lack ?
They had plenty of food, water, air, shelter, sound healthy hearts, minds and bodies designed to last forever.

What did they lack? Something that God had: hate for sin. Was that too difficult to plug that into their brains together with the rest?

Ciao

- viole

 

[rusra02]

Your answer to number 1 is not a mainstream Christian view. In fact, I've never met a Christian with that view actually. What is your denomination? If you don't have one it's ok. I like your other answers.

I believe the teaching that God tortures people for all eternity is a slander against the true God. I am one of Jehovah's witnesses. We believe the Bible is God's Word and the source of the truth about him. (John 17:3)