Theistic evolution as part of a possible simulation with a non-obvious intelligent force

[excreationist]

This is partly based on a scene from the ending of "The Simpsons Game" video game....

If we are in a simulation it would either explicitly simulate billions of years of history (which might lead to the wrong course of history) or begin more recently and perhaps populate the rocks with the fossils we would expect to find. There could be a virtual evolutionary tree that is shown in the fossils. I think there is more variety in life than what might be expected in actual reality.... like all of the flowers and the birds and bees they require.... (though this couldn't be proven)

I think the intelligent force behind the simulation is a non-obvious "God"....

......I think ALL evidence of God and the paranormal can be explained by skeptics as coincidence, delusion, hallucinations, or fraud. According to “God” in Futurama:

GOD: Bender, being God isn't easy. If you do too much, people get dependent on you. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch like a safecracker or a pickpocket.

BENDER: Or a guy who burns down the bar for the insurance money.

GOD: Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

The final sentence is also repeated right at the end of the episode, after “God” chuckles, which means the show's creators thought it was an important quote.

Evolution seems to involve "chance".....

Related thoughts:

Albert Einstein said:

God does not play dice with the universe

Stephen Hawking replied:

Not only does God definitely play dice, but He sometimes confuses us by throwing them where they can't be seen.

Statistical analysis can be used so that dice throws appear to be completely random but could be intelligently guided. An example of this is from the movie "The Imitation Game". They decoded the Enigma machines and could take advantage of the information but they used statistical analysis (and fabricated stories) so that the Nazis wouldn't suspect that.

So anyway the appearance of fundamental "randomness" means that a non-obvious God has a lot of chances to guide things.... and apparently quantum foam can even involve virtual particles disappearing and appearing.

 

[Frank Fractal]

So you think someone is trying to fool you.
Paranoia is like a cheap radar made in China.
Someone is most certainly trying to fool you.
They are encouraging you to trust your cheap Chinese radar.

 

[SalixIncendium]

So you think someone is trying to fool you.
Paranoia is like a cheap radar made in China.
Someone is most certainly trying to fool you.
They are encouraging you to trust your cheap Chinese radar.

Is it not possible that someone could be you?

 

[Frank Fractal]

Is it not possible that someone could be you?

No, I’m not smart enough to fool someone as smart as me.

 

[Audie]

So you think someone is trying to fool you.
Paranoia is like a cheap radar made in China.
Someone is most certainly trying to fool you.
They are encouraging you to trust your cheap Chinese radar.

Always someone picking on China

 

[shunyadragon]

This is partly based on a scene from the ending of "The Simpsons Game" video game....

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If we are in a simulation it would either explicitly simulate billions of years of history (which might lead to the wrong course of history) or begin more recently and perhaps populate the rocks with the fossils we would expect to find. There could be a virtual evolutionary tree that is shown in the fossils. I think there is more variety in life than what might be expected in actual reality.... like all of the flowers and the birds and bees they require.... (though this couldn't be proven)

I think the intelligent force behind the simulation is a non-obvious "God"....

Evolution seems to involve "chance".....

Related thoughts:

Albert Einstein said:

Stephen Hawking replied:

Statistical analysis can be used so that dice throws appear to be completely random but could be intelligently guided. An example of this is from the movie "The Imitation Game". They decoded the Enigma machines and could take advantage of the information but they used statistical analysis (and fabricated stories) so that the Nazis wouldn't suspect that.

So anyway the appearance of fundamental "randomness" means that a non-obvious God has a lot of chances to guide things.... and apparently quantum foam can even involve virtual particles disappearing and appearing.

Evolution does not involve chance. Even throws of a dice follow predictable fractal patterns based on Chaos Theory, Ask any Casino owner that is sow they make billions.

There is no such thing as "fundamental Randomness. Everything and every outcome of causes and effect events occur within a limited range determined by Natural Laws and processes. Even at the Quantum scale the nature of outcomes of cause and effect events can be predicted within natural limits by probability.

Our Macro scale Physical Existence is Naturally Deterministic and the variations in ALL outcomes of cause and effect events follow a fractal pattern dependent on the number of variables involved. That is how weather prediction has improved over the years.

 

[excreationist]

Evolution does not involve chance. Even throws of a dice follow predictable fractal patterns based on Chaos Theory, Ask any Casino owner that is sow they make billions.

So if you made an exact clone of the earth a few billion years ago and randomised things around a lot would humans still evolve again and at the same time?

 

[shunyadragon]

So if you made an exact clone of the earth a few billion years ago and randomised things around a lot would humans still evolve again and at the same time?

The fractal nature of the outcome of cause and effect events limits the outcomes, but not absolutely. It you follow the evolution of life on earth. The environment is the driving force, When the environment was right between 3.7 to 4.0 billion years ago at the hydrothermal vents in the newly formed spreading zones it happened, There is actually life began more than once in this environment, and of course one survived. Over the history of life on earth when there was similar environments the physical forms that resulted were similar. More on this later.

Our physical existence is not prone to exact clones. That would be unnatural. How this translates is if similar planets and suns in our universe exist they will have a physical evolution that will be similar and when the environment is suitable life will begin, and the as the environment evolves similar life forms to our world will evolve, and likely intelligent life forms, but not exactly like humans.

We would have fellow intelligent aliens.

 

[excreationist]

.....How this translates is if similar planets and suns in our universe exist they will have a physical evolution that will be similar and when the environment is suitable life will begin, and the as the environment evolves similar life forms to our world will evolve, and likely intelligent life forms, but not exactly like humans.

We would have fellow intelligent aliens.

The following thread is about why we don't find any signs of intelligent life elsewhere (or even any other life at all)

Solutions to the Fermi Paradox

The Fermi Paradox is the thought that there is a high likelihood of extraterrestrial existence, yet there is no evidence for any. What are your solutions to this paradox? I have this in Science and Religion because I'm interested in religious takes as well as scientific ones. The idea that...

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My simulation based explanation is:

Exoplanet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

it can be hypothesized that there are 11 billion potentially habitable Earth-sized planets in the Milky Way

I believe I'm probably in a simulation/video game and my explanation for the apparent absence of aliens is to keep the costs of the video game (like "The Roy game") low.
Approximating a typical distant star that seems to have 10^57 atoms (1 with 57 zeroes) to a viewer would require a lot less resources than simulating an alien home planet even though the star involves a lot more apparent atoms.

 

[Audie]

So if you made an exact clone of the earth a few billion years ago and randomised things around a lot would humans still evolve again and at the same time?

No

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

This is partly based on a scene from the ending of "The Simpsons Game" video game....

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If we are in a simulation it would either explicitly simulate billions of years of history (which might lead to the wrong course of history) or begin more recently and perhaps populate the rocks with the fossils we would expect to find. There could be a virtual evolutionary tree that is shown in the fossils. I think there is more variety in life than what might be expected in actual reality.... like all of the flowers and the birds and bees they require.... (though this couldn't be proven)

I think the intelligent force behind the simulation is a non-obvious "God"....

Evolution seems to involve "chance".....

Related thoughts:

Albert Einstein said:

Stephen Hawking replied:

Statistical analysis can be used so that dice throws appear to be completely random but could be intelligently guided. An example of this is from the movie "The Imitation Game". They decoded the Enigma machines and could take advantage of the information but they used statistical analysis (and fabricated stories) so that the Nazis wouldn't suspect that.

So anyway the appearance of fundamental "randomness" means that a non-obvious God has a lot of chances to guide things.... and apparently quantum foam can even involve virtual particles disappearing and appearing.

Well, you are all wrong. You are a Boltzmann Brain off course. Trust me.

 

[excreationist]

Well, you are all wrong. You are a Boltzmann Brain off course. Trust me.

Though maybe that's a form of a simulation as well because there is no world out there just a brain getting apparent sensory data - due to blind chance.....

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Though maybe that's a form of a simulation as well because there is no world out there just a brain getting apparent sensory data - due to blind chance.....

We don't know what objective reality is other than having reality independent of the mind.