SkepticThinker
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But they can say what activated a neurological response. It is done using an MRI, fMRI, PET scan, CT scan and a whole host of other testing methods.
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Theistic Evolution?
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Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
How about the frauds made by religious "scientists"? I only need to say Ron Wyatt...
It has already been acknowledged that fraud is committed in all walks of life.
Physical Action and Reaction is involuntary.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Agree.
But fraud in some instances doesn't mean there's a bigger fraud going on. Just because Piltdown man or such were hoaxes made by some misguided people doesn't mean evolution in general is wrong or a fraud. To make that leap is just as wrong as making a leap that the Noah's Ark fraud somehow would prove Christianity wrong in its entirety. There are deceptive people in all areas of life and all categories of ideologies, thoughts, philosophies, religion, and science. No doubt about it. The good thing with science though is that the frauds are discovered and exposed by other scientists, and those who committed the frauds tends to be shunned from the scientific community.
Also, if you take the Piltdown man and some of the other hoaxes, the other side to the story is that we today have several thousand artifacts in form of bones and skulls that are not fakes. So the old fakes from 100 years ago don't really matter since we today have all the true bones that we need.
SkepticThinker
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I don't know what this is supposed to do with anything.
The fact of the matter is, we can look at human brains to see how and why specific neurological responses are activated. The "mind" is detectable.
It is relevant whenwe know the source of the stimulus. i.e a physical stimulus such as a pinprick or mild electrical shock etc, These are things based on learned experience. but there is still no clue how the mind causes a reaction, such as changing the physical structure of the brain.
Who has detected the mind ?
SkepticThinker
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So does fraud carried out in the name of your religion discredit the entire religion?
SkepticThinker
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You said this:
"Okay I already said neurologists can "Map"the brain. They cannot however say what activated the neurological response because they cannot detect the mind."
I responded by pointing out that we can say what activates neurological responses in the brain."
And now you want to say it's irrelevant?
We can see what happens in the brain when a person is experiencing a wide variety of emotions, and how they respond to external and internal stimuli (in real time); we can lesion animal's brains to determine how such changes affect behavior, and we know that damaging the brain will also damage the mind. We can watch and measure how a drug or a disease can change the physical structure of the brain. And we have no evidence of minds existing without brains to power them. So I would say the mind is detectable.
Stop phaffing, Allow me to repeat what I said elsewhere - All realities are my reality.
You only see the end result of the usage of the brain, You do not see who or what sits at the console.
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SkepticThinker
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What does the first comment have to do with the second comment?
Somehow only the first half was posted. I have edited my response, apparently while you reply beat me to the post.
SkepticThinker
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My question was in response to an entirely different post in which it was posited that a few instances of fraud in the scientific community somehow discredited all of evolutionary theory. So I asked you if fraud committed in the name of the religion would discredit the entire religion.
I'm not sure what you mean by this.
But you do. You implicitly claim to see well enough to know that there is a "console" - that there's an external agent of some sort directing the "machine", rather than the machine just doing what it does. How did you gain this insight?
The console is a figure of speech.
Yet I have felt the spirit move to beyond time and space.
Yes there are autonomous functions built into the "machine" and even here the mind can control them.
Please I have already said that the question is directed at evolution fanatics and those who regard evolution as the final say in the matter.
You said "So does fraud carried out in the name of your religion discredit the entire religion?"
You specifically said "Your religion" and my response was "All realities are my reality" .
This also indicates that I am open-minded and that I embrace the Universe as it is.
Please go back and read what I said regarding what is acceptable to me. It i quite obvious that you either missed it or that you are ignoring it.
What it is is a loaded - and so far unjustified - analogy.
The ghost in the machine presses the buttons and the brain responds.
SkepticThinker
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And I directed it back at you to make a point.
It sounds like more of a non-answer to me.
That is possible. It's also possible that you haven't made it clear enough or you are obfuscating the point.
SkepticThinker
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External and internal stimuli press the buttons and the brain responds.