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*Theists* Classical Theism or Theistic Personalism? And why?

Classical Theism or Theistic Personalism?

  • Classical Theism

    Votes: 2 100.0%
  • Theistic Personalism

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    2

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Right, I think that God may be a human idea that symbolizes a certain part of nature. This isn't my official view though.

Here's a bit of trivia you might get a kick out of.

You know how in our culture, "God" is always associated with the sky? There's a reason. Both "God" and "god" had alternative words that meant roughly the same thing in Old English: Tiw and tiw. However, we know that "Tiw" is the Old English name for the God more well-known by his Old Norse name, Týr. This name is descended from Proto-Germanic "Tiwaz", and is cognate with all other Indo-European words and names for the Heavenly Father God. Zeus, Iupiter, Dyaus Pita...

So it shouldn't be "Father in Heaven", it should be "Father Heaven". A counterpart with "Mother Earth", who even to this day remains highly revered, a Goddess in all but title.

So, that being the case, here's an image for you from my own UPG (unverified personal gnosis). Every time it rains, that's Father Heaven and Mother Earth having sex. :cool:

Why do you think the Norse valued thunder?

They weren't alone. Thunder (Old English Þunor) was a God highly revered all across Northern Europe, among all language groups. Taranos in Celtic, Perkunos in Slavic, etc. On top of thunderstorms being dramatic and unforgettable, the rains they brought ensured crops would grow.

Among the Viking Age Norse, Þórr became a protector of the community, a God of the common person, if you will. He also ended up being the "principle adversary of Christ", with the Hammer pendent being worn likely in response to Christians wearing the cross.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Here's a bit of trivia you might get a kick out of.

You know how in our culture, "God" is always associated with the sky? There's a reason. Both "God" and "god" had alternative words that meant roughly the same thing in Old English: Tiw and tiw. However, we know that "Tiw" is the Old English name for the God more well-known by his Old Norse name, Týr. This name is descended from Proto-Germanic "Tiwaz", and is cognate with all other Indo-European words and names for the Heavenly Father God. Zeus, Iupiter, Dyaus Pita...

So it shouldn't be "Father in Heaven", it should be "Father Heaven". A counterpart with "Mother Earth", who even to this day remains highly revered, a Goddess in all but title.

So, that being the case, here's an image for you from my own UPG (unverified personal gnosis). Every time it rains, that's Father Heaven and Mother Earth having sex. :cool:



They weren't alone. Thunder (Old English Þunor) was a God highly revered all across Northern Europe, among all language groups. Taranos in Celtic, Perkunos in Slavic, etc. On top of thunderstorms being dramatic and unforgettable, the rains they brought ensured crops would grow.

Among the Viking Age Norse, Þórr became a protector of the community, a God of the common person, if you will. He also ended up being the "principle adversary of Christ", with the Hammer pendent being worn likely in response to Christians wearing the cross.
It's pretty interesting the way the people thought. I just can't do all that research about the ancient peoples.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
It's pretty interesting the way the people thought. I just can't do all that research about the ancient peoples.

Nobody can. There's too many people for any one person to be an expert in all of them. Heck, I focus my studies on Northern Europe during the thousand years between Caesar and William the Conquerer, and I'm still just an amateur enthusiast.

And earth is like an embryo...:screamcat:

...no, Earth is the Mother carrying the embryo in this analogy. The "embryo" is life. An Old English invocation of Mother Earth names Her fira modor, or "Mother of Mortals".
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
...no, Earth is the Mother carrying the embryo in this analogy. The "embryo" is life. An Old English invocation of Mother Earth names Her fira modor, or "Mother of Mortals".
Sorry I just thought about the shape of the earth and how the rain helps things grow.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
Not exactly. The supernal in the throne is not omnimax. I believe they are distinctly separate. Omnimax is not measurable by an existing scale and the supernal in the throne is.
Oh so the Omnimax is infinite. Can it be described accurately in human terms? (Such as when I said infinite)

Just wondering, do you know who the supernal is?
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Sorry I just thought about the shape of the earth and how the rain helps things grow.

'Sokay. There's a very popular image of Earth being the pregnant belly of a Mother Goddess, so you're not alone in that conception. It's just not one I find necessary for me.

I also left out another detail that may have contributed to the confusion. "Heaven" in this context is literally just another name for the sky, that is, the atmosphere.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
I remember reading something that said something similar about the ancient Jewish view of the world.

Wouldn't surprise me. It's a fairly common motif. The Proto-Indo-European culture probably lived in fairly close proximity to that region of West Asia, so there may have been a fair amount of cultural exchange.
 

ThirtyThree

Well-Known Member
Oh so the Omnimax is infinite. Can it be described accurately in human terms? (Such as when I said infinite)

I do not believe so.

Just wondering, do you know who the supernal is?

Yahweh or his son, most likely? That is my suspicion. I am certain Yahweh goes by other names as well. I believe those names vary dependent on the culture which he has presented himself to. His attributes seem to fit Zeus, for example. Then, for some absurd reason, Enlil also fits this supernal. Through history, his main attribute has been that he is defined as a lord of the sky. Besides that, Enlil, Zeus and Yahweh all have sent floods due to their disdain for what was going on with the mortals. For Enlil, it was the noise of the procreation of the mortals. For Zeus, it was the sin (cannibalism and such) and for Yahweh, it was "Giants" and terrible sin.
 

RedDragon94

Love everyone, meditate often
I do not believe so.



Yahweh or his son, most likely? That is my suspicion. I am certain Yahweh goes by other names as well. I believe those names vary dependent on the culture which he has presented himself to. His attributes seem to fit Zeus, for example. Then, for some absurd reason, Enlil also fits this supernal. Through history, his main attribute has been that he is defined as a lord of the sky. Besides that, Enlil, Zeus and Yahweh all have sent floods due to their disdain for what was going on with the mortals. For Enlil, it was the noise of the procreation of the mortals. For Zeus, it was the sin (cannibalism and such) and for Yahweh, it was "Giants" and terrible sin.
Is Yahweh the Omnimax?
 
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