Theocracy

[Sand Dancer]

Was that a commandment of God? There's a difference between willingly subjugating oneself to an authority and being property. While forced subjugation is culturally historic, I don't think it is the will of God. I think scripture tells us that God acted to dictate how an existent class of people should be treated properly.

Women could not charge someone with adultery. A married man could have sex with a single woman but not a married woman, because it was a sin against the latter's husband.

I don't think it is the will of God that anyone be enslaved. However God has acted within the unfolding of human history which at times, of necessity, has included the enslavement of people. For instance, a nation or budding nation at war necessarily must enslave the defeated or be enslaved as the defeated to some degree.

Yahweh told the soldiers to take the enemies' women as their wives but only the virgins. Everyone else was killed. Lovely.

Again I ask...Was this a commandment of Gods?

Here is one: Don't stone your kids that are not honoring their parents. Find a better punishment.

How important are they since Moses was given a set of 12 in which some were different from the first set?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

The detail please. What is ‘God’s theocratic Kingdom’? If it isn’t a human version then tell us in detail what it actually is.

If you read chapter 2 of Daniel we find a rise and fall of world powers ( aka governments )
The HUGE political statue starts with a head of gold standing for Babylon.
Each government or mental after that is inferior to the gold.
After the ' Iron' (Roman Empire) falls the feet are made of Not just iron but now weak clay.
The feet are a mixture of strong iron and soft clay. In other words they don't mix well.
The statue NOW stands on brittle or fragile feet forming from the British Empire to the American or Anglo/American.
Jesus proves to the symbolic 'stone' of Daniel 2:45 striking the feet.
In other words, the political powers/ governments do Not fall or collapse on their own.
We are now at the time of the statue's toes or even more like now at the time of the toenails.
Jesus, as King/Ruler of God's theocratic (God Ruled) kingdom government, is coming to our rescue.
The 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of all corrupted governments or world powers.
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15

 

[URAVIP2ME]

When did this ever happen in the Bible?.....

I find the Golden Rule is found at Leviticus 19:18.
After Pentecost, Jesus' NEW commandment went into effect as found at John 13:34-35.
We are now to love others as Jesus loved others.
In other words, we are Now to love neighbor MORE than self, more that the Golden Rule.
First-century Jesus did Not come to govern over Earth at that time but to inform about God's Kingdom - Luke 4:43
Jesus instructed his followers to do the same at Matthew 24:14; Acts of the Apostles 1:8
Once the declaring about God's Kingdom government (Daniel 2:44) as now being proclaimed world wide as a witness to the nations, this is when we will see the fulfillment of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 before Jesus takes the action as described at Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15

 

[URAVIP2ME]

..........Yahweh told the soldiers to take the enemies' women as their wives but only the virgins. Everyone else was killed. Lovely.
Here is one: Don't stone your kids that are not honoring their parents. Find a better punishment.
How important are they since Moses was given a set of 12 in which some were different from the first set?

In war time the enemies were put to death - Deuteronomy 21:10-14 - and yes there were women who were spared and could become a man's wife. In those days marriage was security for a woman.

The above makes it sound as if one is speaking about a small-minor child at Deuteronomy 21:20.
The son is Not a minor/kid but a grown son who is a drunkard and a glutton.
Minor children are Not drunkards or gluttons.
The pagan nations did worse than stoning their children - Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3

The temporary constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel contained over 600 laws not just a set of 12.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So what will the punishment be for people in the country who aren't Christian and worship other gods besides Yahweh, like Hindus?..

The dead are on equal ground (or should I say in equal ground) because 'death' stamps the total complete asking price tag for our sins as Paid In Full - Romans 6:23; Romans 6:7 - death is the punishment. No post-mortem penalty.
People who died before Jesus can have a happy-and-healthy future physical resurrection on Earth - Acts of the Apostles 24:15
As for those of us still alive on Earth at Jesus' coming Glory Time of separation - Matthew 25:31-34,37 - whom Jesus judges as being a figurative ' sheep ' can remain alive on Earth and be here to see calendar Day One of Jesus' coming 1,000 year reign over Earth with the opportunity to continue to live on Earth forever, Everlasting life on Earth forever.
For now, as to how person responds to Jesus' words when hearing about God's Kingdom could determine whether they are a figurative ' sheep ' or not.- Matthew 24:14; Acts 1:8; Daniel 2:44

 

[URAVIP2ME]

How do we know that a "divinely guided" government is even possible, given that all theocracies were man made in the past?

Yes, the modern-day definition of Theocracy (divinely guided) is rule by clergy or clergy class.
Whereas, God's theocratic government is headed or ruled by Christ Jesus for a thousand years.
Unlike today and with past governments, under Christ there will be No change in rulership.
This is possible because heavenly Jesus lives forever and needs no successors.

 

[loverofhumanity]

If you read chapter 2 of Daniel we find a rise and fall of world powers ( aka governments )
The HUGE political statue starts with a head of gold standing for Babylon.
Each government or mental after that is inferior to the gold.
After the ' Iron' (Roman Empire) falls the feet are made of Not just iron but now weak clay.
The feet are a mixture of strong iron and soft clay. In other words they don't mix well.
The statue NOW stands on brittle or fragile feet forming from the British Empire to the American or Anglo/American.
Jesus proves to the symbolic 'stone' of Daniel 2:45 striking the feet.
In other words, the political powers/ governments do Not fall or collapse on their own.
We are now at the time of the statue's toes or even more like now at the time of the toenails.
Jesus, as King/Ruler of God's theocratic (God Ruled) kingdom government, is coming to our rescue.
The 'sword-like executional words from Jesus' mouth' will rid the Earth of all corrupted governments or world powers.
- Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-15

Baha’is believe those passages all to be referring to Baha’u’llah.

He ‘smited the world’ with His Words - Kings, leaders of religion and mankind.

Proclamation of Bahá'u'lláh

And a specific Tablet to the Christians of the world.

A Tablet of Baha'u'llah addressed to Christians | Christianity and the Baha'i Faith

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Baha’is believe those passages all to be referring to Baha’u’llah.
He ‘smited the world’ with His Words - Kings, leaders of religion and mankind. Proclamation of Bahá'u'lláh
And a specific Tablet to the Christians of the world.
A Tablet of Baha'u'llah addressed to Christians | Christianity and the Baha'i Faith

Yes, I can agree that there are those who attach themselves to the intercessor 'the Name of the Mediator' and loose sight of the real purport. The real intended person - 1 Timothy 2:5 - which is God and Jesus as the Mediator between God and man.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When did this ever happen in the Bible? I would rather trust Athena or some other deity who doesn’t lose entire governments. Jesus couldn’t wrangle 12 guys, much less rule a country.

The Bible acheives that outcome when we submit our own preferences to that of what Christ offered for good living.

Passages such as this are founded from Love.

Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law."

The rule of humanity is left up to us, for us to base our law on those principles.

Regards Tony

 

[1213]

I have to make a correction here. The statement "They are free to move into a country that is not a Christian theocracy" and so many like it that have the general form "if you don't like it then leave" is typically false. It is far from easy under any circumstances to leave and work in another country, for whatever reason. Note the people trying to get into the USA at the southern border. If it's a job you don't like, there has to be a better job available and you have to be qualified for it.

No, when you design something like theocracy (or communism, or even democracy) you have to allow for dissenters or you will unavoidably be oppressing someone.

Please explain, how would keeping only the ten commandments as the law oppress others, if nothing else is added to that?

It tells only how people should live, but it itself has no punishment if people don't do so.

But, I understand well that ten commandment theocracy is not of this world and only few people would like it. And I don't mean everyone should accept it. But, what you said can also be said of this degenerate western system.

 

[1213]

What if another religion took over here, would you still choose that?

As I said before, I would like live in theocracy, if it means the only law is the ten commandments. It means I would not choose any other version. Ten commandments as the only law is much better in my opinion than any other law. And I think secular laws are the worst.

 

[Mock Turtle]

As I said before, I would like live in theocracy, if it means the only law is the ten commandments. It means I would not choose any other version. Ten commandments as the only law is much better in my opinion than any other law. And I think secular laws are the worst.

Your image might as well say - THE MORE CORRUPT THE RELIGION, THE MORE NUMEROUS THE LAWS. Unless you haven't looked so closely at the many countries that seem to have problems as to such - and being rather one-sided as to which sex has to do what.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Yes, I can agree that there are those who attach themselves to the intercessor 'the Name of the Mediator' and loose sight of the real purport. The real intended person - 1 Timothy 2:5 - which is God and Jesus as the Mediator between God and man.

Thanks very much for your explanation and the quote. Wonderful explanation. Thanks for sharing.

My understanding is that we should worship the Light not the lamp.

 

[metis]

Of course, we both know that the reason you don't have your picture in your avatar is not because you look good".

No, it's because I know you'd be terribly jealous!

 

[metis]

As I said before, I would like live in theocracy, if it means the only law is the ten commandments. It means I would not choose any other version. Ten commandments as the only law is much better in my opinion than any other law. And I think secular laws are the worst.

Rape in not mentioned in the Decalogue, so that must be quite OK with you, right? There are many other violations of basic Judeo-Christian morals not covered in the Ten.

 

[Alien826]

Please explain, how would keeping only the ten commandments as the law oppress others, if nothing else is added to that?

It tells only how people should live, but it itself has no punishment if people don't do so.

But, I understand well that ten commandment theocracy is not of this world and only few people would like it. And I don't mean everyone should accept it. But, what you said can also be said of this degenerate western system.

I was responding to what you said, "They are free to move into a country that is not a Christian theocracy" and pointing out that moving to another country is not a practical option for most people.

If the ten commandments were the law, it implies that they would be enforced. And a law that doesn't have punishment attached to it doesn't work. Oppression could apply in several ways, for example would the first commandment be enforced? How?

I'm just responding to your own words.

 

[Sand Dancer]

In war time the enemies were put to death - Deuteronomy 21:10-14 - and yes there were women who were spared and could become a man's wife. In those days marriage was security for a woman.

The above makes it sound as if one is speaking about a small-minor child at Deuteronomy 21:20.
The son is Not a minor/kid but a grown son who is a drunkard and a glutton.
Minor children are Not drunkards or gluttons.
The pagan nations did worse than stoning their children - Jeremiah 32:35; 2 Chronicles 28:3

The temporary constitution of the Mosaic Law for ancient Israel contained over 600 laws not just a set of 12.

I have been told many are for the Levite priests, not just any Hebrew. They are obviously held to a higher standard. I wasn't taught that, but I have heard this.

 

[LuisDantas]

No problem, as there is only one God and the morals and virtues that build strong communities, are also not lost, just greatly neglected.

When the world gives up war, these issues can be addressed.

Regards Tony

I have no words sufficiently strong to convey how deeply I disagree.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

I have no words sufficiently strong to convey how deeply I disagree.

I wish for you happiness and all the best.

Regards Tony

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

We are now to love others as Jesus loved others.

I sang the song “Jesus loves me/this I know “ as a kid, but eventually after reading the part where he calls a gentile woman a dog (imagine the modern equivalent), I realized he wouldn’t have loved me, though I consider all of earth my tribe.