TagliatelliMonster
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Come out as a gay person in such cultures, see what happens and then repeat that question while keeping a straight face.
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Theology/Theologies. Are they all harmful by default?
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Come out as a gay person in such cultures, see what happens and then repeat that question while keeping a straight face.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Your wish shall be my command.
Evidence and not your opinion. Pure standard empirical evidence, please! You made a positive claim. Now deliver the evidence according to the standard you demand of other humans. So evidence, please. Not your thought or feelings, Evidence!
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, that was falsified by Rene Descartes. You believe in a form of rationality, that doesn't work, if you apply critical thinking to the end. You are in effect stuck in philosophy before the modern version of skepticism. And yes, the world has moved on from the Enlightenment.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Why should a person want to "come out"?
What has a person's private life got to do with anybody else?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Please, all of us are not like you. If I can kiss my wife on the street, why shouldn't to gay married men not be allowed to do that?
firedragon
Veteran Member
I cant believe someone wrote this article. Its the exact same thing I have been saying for a long long time. Same references. Same book. Same authors. "ATHEIST authors" mind you.
Good find. Cheers.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
It used to be part of my work to be able to find information fast on Google and to be critical about it in a fast sense. So I got a somewhat "good" ability to use the correct words to find the useful information.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
People can do whatever they like. They don't have to take any notice of God, if they don't wish.
However, when people want to promote evil-doing, it is clear that they are challenging the society at large.
This is no accident. That is what satan wants. He wants to destroy the very fabric of society. Mankind are the losers. If evil is left unchecked, we are ALL affected.
A good example is usury. It is now the global financial system worldwide. It is the main cause of climate-change and enmity between us.
Who in the world is strongly opposing it, other than Muslims?
..not many.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
You just made the point for me.
Both by dodging the point I made AND by showing the bigotry towards it.
Nice job.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That's ridiculous.
Climate-change is caused by pollution with greenhouse gasses.
It has nothing to do with financial systems.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
And I will fight you, because I believe differently. Not because you are religious, but because you claim objective authority. But that is not limited to religion, but in your case it is religious. So yes, I will fight you. Just as I will fight some non-religious humans.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Well, it is linked to a certain world view of profit. So yes, there is something about it, but it is not all of the story. But it is used here as apologetics.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
I can demonstrate that usury and climate-change are linked.
It is no coincidence.
World's wealthiest 'at heart of climate problem'
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Fine. Carry on fighting for "your" cause.
You are fighting against God, as far as I'm concerned, and not me personally.
I believe in democracy. If the majority of people believe that evil, as portrayed by Bible/Qur'an, is acceptable, then the majority should have their way.
Don't expect me to agree with it. I will continue to explain why it is NOT acceptable.
If a society takes the wrong course, it will know all about it.
There is nothing I can do to stop it.
If there was, then armageddon would not be prophecised.
One of the signs of armageddon is that there will be a lot of unlawful killing. The people being killed will not know why they are being killed .. and the people doing the killing will not know why they are killing.
Evil leads to more evil. It is a chain reaction.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Fine. Carry on fighting for "your" cause.
You are fighting against God, as far as I'm concerned, and not me personally.
I believe in democracy. If the majority of people believe that evil, as portrayed by Bible/Qur'an, is acceptable, then the majority should have their way.
Don't expect me to agree with it. I will continue to explain why it is NOT acceptable.
If a society takes the wrong course, it will know all about it.
There is nothing I can do to stop it.
If there was, then armageddon would not be prophecised.
One of the signs of armageddon is that there will be a lot of unlawful killing. The people being killed will not know why they are being killed .. and the people doing the killing will not know why they are killing.
Evil leads to more evil. It is a chain reaction.
And you can fight for "your" cause. And yes, "yours" is "evil" from "my" point of view.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That article has absolutely nothing to do with usury. Nor does it have anything to do with the cause of climate change.
If "usury" is made illegal tomorrow, the world would still run on fossil fuels. It wouldn't change anything about climate change.
If back in the day fossil fuels wouldn't have been discovered and if another power source were used that did not emmit greenhouse gasses while everything else stayed the same (including usury), then there would be no human induced global warming problem today.
Usury has absolutely nothing to do with it.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Democracy does not exist to "give the majority their way".
Democracy actually exists for almost the exact opposite: to protect minorities from majorities.
If 95% of people think 5% should be killed because their religion considers them evil, they can't do that.
That's stuff that flies in authoritarian dictatorships. Not in democracies.
"god says it's evil" is not an explanation. It's a faith based assertion that can be dismissed at face value, because what is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
If a society takes the wrong course, it will know all about it.
There is nothing I can do to stop it.
If there was, then armageddon would not be prophecised.
One of the signs of armageddon is that there will be a lot of unlawful killing. The people being killed will not know why they are being killed .. and the people doing the killing will not know why they are killing.
Evil leads to more evil. It is a chain reaction.
And granting homosexuals their rights, leads to people killing people for no reason?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Can you prove that? I'm certain that you can't.
However, I can show you why it would change things.
Why do you think that mankind have grouped together to uphold a global financial system?
In order to stabilise their economies .. right?
If usury was abolished the system would fail, and there would be a serious recession .. right?
To be true to oneself.