Theory of Enlightenment

[Heneni]

See reply to Emu. Square the circle and the circle is broken - but circle the square, and both exist in full form conjoined, one inside the other.

Square the circle and the circle is broken?? I dont get that, is the circle too big for the square?

I like this square and circle analogy but dont get why the square around a circle will break it.

Love
Heneni

 

[Halcyon]

I don't see how imagination supercedes rationality when it comes to enlightenment, if anything it makes more sense the other way around - awakening from our imaginary concepts of the world to how it is in reality.

 

[Heneni]

I wonder if you drew a circle in a square and you had to fold the line/s of the square and circle open to see how long each were, would there be a difference?

And if you drew a square around a cirlce, and then 'fold' open the lines of such, which line will be the longest?

LOL and would it mean anything? Whichever line is the longest, has more leg to stand on

 

[Reverend Rick]

I wonder if you drew a circle in a square and you had to fold the line/s of the square and circle open to see how long each were, would there be a difference?

And if you drew a square around a cirlce, and then 'fold' open the lines of such, which line will be the longest?

LOL and would it mean anything? Whichever line is the longest, has more leg to stand on

What are you saying here? Size matters?

 

[Heneni]

Actually reverent size does matter!

After doing some math I just worked out that whether the square is around the circle or inside the circle the circle has a larger circumference.

So circles win.

Random, do you think size matters then?

love
Heneni

 

[Random]

Actually reverent size does matter!

After doing some math I just worked out that whether the square is around the circle or inside the circle the circle has a larger circumference.

So circles win.

Random, do you think size matters then?

love
Heneni

I think you've got it figured quite well now. You're a delight, frubals.

 

[doppelganger]

Actually reverent size does matter!

After doing some math I just worked out that whether the square is around the circle or inside the circle the circle has a larger circumference.

Ummmm . . . no . . . .

A circle inscribed completely inside a square would have, at most, a diameter equal to the length of one side of the square. The circumference of a square is 4*d (four sides times the length of a side). The circumference of a circle is pi *d (or roughly 3.14 times the length of a side). 4>3.14, so the square would have a greater circumference than any circle inscribed within it.

 

[Random]

Ummmm . . . no . . . .A circle inscribed completely inside a square would have, at most, a diameter equal to the length of one side of the square. The circumference of a square is 4*d (four sides times the length of a side). The circumference of a circle is pi *d (or roughly 3.14 times the length of a side). 4>3.14, so the square would have a greater circumference than any circle inscribed within it.

Read back. The circle in not inscribed inside the square, but outside of it.

 

[doppelganger]

Read back. The circle in not inscribed inside the square, but outside of it.

In the post I was responding to, it was suggested that the circumference of the circle was larger "whether the square is around the circle or inside the circle." Assuming that a square being 'around' the circle means that the circle is within the square, the math doesn't support that conclusion.

 

[Random]

In the post I was responding to, it was suggested that the circumference of the circle was larger "whether the square is around the circle or inside the circle." Assuming that a square being 'around' the circle means that the circle is within the square, the math doesn't support that conclusion.

What matters is not the mathematics, but that Heneni gets it. This thread is about enlightenment, not geometry. She gets the bigger picture, so, job done. What the circle represents and what the square represents, as discussed in OP, make their juxtaposition interchangeable.

 

[Ozzie]

Enlightenment is the merger of the left and right hemispheres of the brain, the merging of creative and logical processes. Left brain is represented by a square and right brain is represented by a circle. Left is logical, rational, intellectual. Right is creative, emotive and imaginative. Left is the past and future. Right is the present. Atheists square the circle, a logic dominated world. Enlightenment circles the square, leading to a more balanced approach.

Questions, or comments?

I sure it has been said before here. Enlightenment is not theoretical, certainly it is not geometric.

More likely it is chaotic?

 

[Random]

I sure it has been said before here. Enlightenment is not theoretical, certainly it is not geometric. More likely it is chaotic?

I don't reckon "chaotic" would be the right word. Maybe spontaneous for some, though it is said that it can be arrived at by diligent effort and mental focus, or meditation.

 

[Troublemane]

. Left brain is represented by a square and right brain is represented by a circle.

I prefer a triangle, especially fractal triangles

 

[Ozzie]

I don't reckon "chaotic" would be the right word. Maybe spontaneous for some, though it is said that it can be arrived at by diligent effort and mental focus, or meditation.

Spontaneity is a chance conscious recognition of something arising from chaotic determinants.

 

[gnostic]

And if you drew a square around a circle, and then 'fold' open the lines of such, which line will be the longest?

It really depends on if includes right-bends of the square or not as one line (the circumference).

• If you do, then the square's line is longer.
• If not then it's the circle's line is longer.

The circle would be the longest continuous line, even though it is inside a folded square, but as a shape of whole, the square is longer, since it is on the outside.

If you think of it in this way, if the square has the same width as the diameter of the circle, then the square would always have the highest quantity unit in the circumference.

Therefore, if you are talking about circumference, and if width = diameter, then square wins with a longest circumference. If the square is within the circle, then circle wins.

It's that simple.

 

[Heneni]

My appologies, didnt want the maths to mean the battle of the brains.

I redid the math and

1. If circle is inside square - square wins i.t.o longest circumference.

2. If square is inside cirlce - circle wins i.t.o longest circumference.

What Random means by if you place the circle in the square is breaks is this:

Draw a circle around any square. Now remove the circle which you drew around the square and without changing it, try to put in INSIDE the square you just drew. Cant do it.


If you draw a square around a cirlce, and then try to remove the square and put it inside the cirlce, you cant do it either...so im afraid im still stuck.

I think the problem here is, we are not all imagining the same circles and squares, some of us are changing their sizes which is not necessarily implied, and some of us keep the original sizes the same.


Enlightenment is a process , and happens when you are able to see the real meaning of things. And as one becomes enlightened you become more and more aware of your own insignificance outside of the reality of others. Significance only comes when you are part of the greater whole reality. Selfishness can never help enlightenment because it is unwilling to see beyond 'me'.

Love
Heneni

 

[Troublemane]

Heneni, I think what your talking about there is the age-old mathematical problem called "Squaring the Circle". Heres a link explaining it better than I can.
Squaring the circle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Although proven impossible using standard Euclidian geometry, I believe it has been shown to work using Non-Euclidian geometry, such as that Einstein worked with (Minkowski space, etc.)

 

[cardero]

Enlightenment is the merger of the left and right hemispheres of the brain, the merging of creative and logical processes. Left brain is represented by a square and right brain is represented by a circle. Left is logical, rational, intellectual. Right is creative, emotive and imaginative. Left is the past and future. Right is the present. Atheists square the circle, a logic dominated world. Enlightenment circles the square, leading to a more balanced approach.

Questions, or comments?

Are left handed people more prone to tapping into the right hemisphere and does this make right handers more prone to becoming athiests?

 

[Random]

Are left handed people more prone to tapping into the right hemisphere and does this make right handers more prone to becoming athiests?

Interesting possibility. But in superstitious cultures, left-handed people are demonized and regarded with suspicion, whereas right-handed people are "righteous", you see. I don't see how that tallies with right-handed folk being more prone to Atheism.

 

[Random]

Spontaneity is a chance conscious recognition of something arising from chaotic determinants.

I love it when you talk dirty. :flirt: