There are about 1000 gods. Is that evidence against God?

[Clara Tea]

What?

What does science covering areas of studying the universe that religion does have any bearing on what religion does cover which is about God and our eternal potential?

You are not making any sense. Religion is not science but it’s about believing what is true. Science does not cover all truths. And you emphasizing that science covers some truths is irrelevant when it comes to validating Christian beliefs BECAUSE science does not cover anything concerning whether or not there is a God who wants us to rely on faith.

If God made it all, religion does have bearing.

 

[Nivek001]

Didn't you read my link? >Here< it is again.

So, you only went a few ways and found nothing? Where do you get that you have finished?

 

[McBell]

Religion is not science but it’s about believing what is true.

There is more than enough evidence in the Evolution vs Creation subforums to show that this is nothing more than wishful thinking.

Science does not cover all truths.

No one claims it does.
I mean other than you in your strawman...

And you emphasizing that science covers some truths is irrelevant when it comes to validating Christian beliefs BECAUSE science does not cover anything concerning whether or not there is a God who wants us to rely on faith.

Perhaps you should be more careful with your strawmen?

 

[Nivek001]

Ooh, bad form! That was not his claim.



That was not his point. Why doesn't a belief in God come close to doing what science has done?




Faith based teachings are quite often demonstrably wrong or immoral. Science would appear to be the winner over that.

WHICH faith based teachings are proven wrong or immoral? Can you be any more vague?

Newsflash, not all faith based teachings are the same.

 

[Clara Tea]

That's the unspoken problem, ie, that everyone
believes differently, & everyone gets to be right.

Hmm....what if everyone is partially right? What if we have to put all of the religions together in order to find out the real truth?

Maybe this is why God created the Tower of Babel, so that some day, once we all learn to get along, we can get back together with the various cultures that God separated (and scrambled their languages so that they could not communicate)?

Once we find it in our hearts to have universal love, maybe then we can be ready for God's full message?

 

[Clara Tea]

It's only highly improbable that how we choose to conceive of God falls far short of the actuality of such an inexplicable existential possibility as the great mystery source, sustenance, and purpose of all that is (God). Because there is no logical correlation between the inaccuracy of our various conceptions of God, and the probable existence of God, itself. A point that atheists persistently ignore.

I think that you are saying that God could exist though our conceptions of God might be wrong.

 

[Nivek001]

There is more than enough evidence in the Evolution vs Creation subforums to show that this is nothing more than wishful thinking.


No one claims it does.
I mean other than you in your strawman...


Perhaps you should be more careful with your strawmen?

Strawman? I’m not the one who brought up science to begin with. Also, where does it say that there is no evolution involved in creation? The Genesis dies not go into a whole lot details on how life was brought about on this world. Even the days as described in Genesis are not for certain being 24 Earth hours since the account of sun light reaching the Earth to determine the day and the moon and starlight reaching the Earth to determine night occurred after the first day in Genesis.

Also, Genesis does not describe that the Earth was created out of nothing but was created out if existing material both solid land and water. There was no account regarding what the history of those materials were prior to God creating THIS world from. That material could very well have come from a previous living planet that once had life even human life that was destroyed and those materials were made once again into a living planet.

You are very quick to jump to conclusions that science has disproven the Genesis account when the Genesis account does not give enough description to prove anything contradictory by current scientific paradigms.

 

[Nivek001]

Hmm....what if everyone is partially right? What if we have to put all of the religions together in order to find out the real truth?

Maybe this is why God created the Tower of Babel, so that some day, once we all learn to get along, we can get back together with the various cultures that God separated (and scrambled their languages so that they could not communicate)?

Once we find it in our hearts to have universal love, maybe then we can be ready for God's full message?

What if? You are too lazy to find out for yourself if any what if really applies? There is only one way to find out if your what if’s apply or if my beliefs are actually true.

 

[Nivek001]

There is more than enough evidence in the Evolution vs Creation subforums to show that this is nothing more than wishful thinking.


No one claims it does.
I mean other than you in your strawman...


Perhaps you should be more careful with your strawmen?

What science has proven that there was no Genesis account where it’s not clear how long those six days actually cover in modern Earth perceived time or that the materials from which this Earth was created from was never apart if a previous world that had life even human life?

After all, those near extinction events of all life may have been total extinction events resulting in the planet being created over again bring in never before seen life, some old favorite life firms brought back and other life forms not being brought back.

You jumping to conclusions about what Genesis really covers is your wishful thinking.

 

[Nivek001]

If God made it all, religion does have bearing.

Which religion?

 

[Nivek001]

Some religions believe in more than one God. Surely all of those religions couldn't all be wrong?

Instead of insisting that we are right and everyone else is wrong, perhaps we should not judge...lest we be judged. After all, only God is the judge.

How surely?

There is also the point that while most all religions have at least some truth does not make all religions equally true.

Therefore, it is important to consider that perhaps one should seek out further truths. Just because one’s beliefs may not have as much truth as another does not mean that individual is inferior .

After all, if one has greater truth but still acts pridefull may not be practicing as many truth teachings as the one who may not have as many truths their beliefs to begin with.

 

[blü 2]

So, you only went a few ways and found nothing? Where do you get that you have finished?

I get that sincerity doesn't matter, if you knock nothing opens.

What would you have done differently? How many negatives demonstrate a failure?

 

[Nivek001]

I get that sincerity doesn't matter, if you knock nothing opens.

What would you have done differently? How many negatives demonstrate a failure?

How do you know that if you haven’t knocked on all the doors? I didn’t knock on the same doors as you and I believe that I did find some truth when I started knocking.

How is it you felt comfortable giving up where you gave up, especially when you question me on how many negatives demonstrate a failure? Also, I find it amazing that you didn’t find any truths at all where you were knocking. Just his hard were you looking around after you opened those doors?

 

[blü 2]

How do you know that if you haven’t knocked on all the doors? I didn’t knock on the same doors as you and I believe that I did find some truth when I started knocking.

How many negatives constitute a failure? Please be specific.

And why is good faith of enquiry worth nothing?

 

[Tiberius]

Like I said, when others claim their way is right and it’s just their word vs. mine there is one way to find out if my way is right vs. others by taking a leap of faith in trying out what I believe by study, practicing the teachings and pray for assurance if truth.

But when the only thing you are testing is the general advice your religion offers - be good to others, etc - and their religion also teaches the same thing, then it's a little hard to get a conclusive result.

All you do is just say that others claim similarly that their POV is right over mine but you fail to establish that you can settle the question who is right between my beliefs and others by putting my beliefs to the test by studying those beliefs, practicing those beliefs, and praying for assurance if those beliefs are true.

But when putting your beliefs to the test - such as by practicing the "be nice to others" idea - is exactly what they'd be doing, then you're both likely to get similar results, and that's why they hold their beliefs are correct. Because like you, they have put their beliefs to the test and found that they worked.

And when you put other things to the test - praying to move mountains, or handling poisonous snakes, those tests routinely FAIL - a fact that you have completely ignored, and which I will suspect you will ignore again. And if you don't ignore it, you will make excuses as to why those tests don't count.

It’s an open ended challenge. What are you afraid of?

And again, I will point out that since you claim that we can't get verification until we are dead, there's really no way for anything to be verified. So I don't particularly fancy wasting my entire life on something with no guarantee that it's correct.

 

[Tiberius]

Science has a proven track record at finding ALL the truths about the universe? Where is your proof of that?

Here you go again, twisting my words. If you're going to try to use a straw man, at least try not to make it so obvious, okay?

Everything we know for a fact is true about the universe has been shown by science.

Of course, if you can show me something that is demonstrably true about the universe that is NOT the result of scientific investigation, then please present it. Bear in my I actually expect you to demonstrate that it is true, so loud proclamations that you really REALLY believe it aren't going to be good enough.

Unless you can show that science has specifically a proven track record when it comes to finding out the truth about whether there is a God who wants us to rely on faith instead of evidence, your point about science is really pointless.

Name any truth we know about the universe and it was provided by science.

Since you have failed to prove how science is applicable when it comes to the faith-based teachings in Christianity, it would not hurt to try acting on faith by study, practice, and prayer and at least see what happens on a personal level.

Why should I bother doing that? It assumes that religion is able to provide some factual information about the way the universe works. Until you can show that religion can actually provide objectively true information that science can not, why should I bother with it?

 

[Nivek001]

How many negatives constitute a failure? Please be specific.

And why is good faith of enquiry worth nothing?

Where do you get that there has to be a limit of negative findings? Just because you like to search does not mean one should give up a search.

Why did you feel you were good to give up searching where you have gave up? Also again just how hard were you searching while you were behind the doors you did open? Please be specific.

 

[Tiberius]

If you are pointing out that a lack of evidence is not the same the same thing as evidence that the thing does not exist then it’s possible that one can actually find truth without having evidence to present, which means it’s possible that one can obtain truth by acting on faith. There is one way to find out if that is the case when it comes to Christianity.

And yet without evidence there's no way to verify that what we have is truth.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Atheists often cite the great abundance of gods.
In my opinion, this is not evidence against God.
I believe, it rather shows that God allows other beliefs to happen, for some time at least.
Here is a video by an atheist on this matter:

If you think that every single god deserves to be scrutinized equally... check out a thousand gods then.
This would be my suggestion.

Well, you would be correct in that that argument doesn't disprove the existence of a gods existing.

 

[blü 2]

Also again just how hard were you searching while you were behind the doors you did open? Please be specific.

I was careful not to address any particular entity that might be out there, because that would involve me in designing my own answer. The question is the reality of supernatural beings; and I wasn't there to play games.

I made proper enquiry ─ thoughtful, enquiring, not perfunctory ─ and found nothing.

You're saying God (or gods, or as the case may be) indeed plays games, is whimsical, unreliable, does not live up to [his] billing.

You're welcome to [him] (or them).