There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament

[Subduction Zone]

Seems to me that the O.P has never listened to Professor Bart Erhman...an atheist who is an expert on the historical Jesus and who believes from the actual evidence, the man really existed!

No. Admitting that there probably was a Jesus does not mean that there were eyewitness accounts in the New Testament. You mentioned Bart Ehrman. He would tell you not only that there is no eyewitness testimony in the New Testament, he would explain how he knows that.

 

[Sumadji]

If the senses can't detect it - if whatever it is you are imaging makes no impact on sensory experience - then that thing can be ignored

And that's where we differ, you see?

 

[Sumadji]

the Epistles of Peter state that the disciple Peter who was an eyewitness wrote them (whether directly or through a scribe is irrelevant

The letters of Peter are not commonly accepted as authentic by many experts. But the letter of James, the brother of Jesus, is accepted? I'm open to correction.

Jesus's own brother was surely an eyewitness?

 

[Subduction Zone]

The letters of Peter are not commonly accepted as authentic by many experts. But the letter of James, the brother of Jesus, is accepted? I'm open to correction.

Jesus's own brother was surely an eyewitness?

Have you read the letter of James lately? He does not say anything about Jesus there. But he probably was not the author if I remember correctly:

James: The General Epistle of James

 

[Sumadji]

Have you read the letter of James lately? He does not say anything about Jesus there.

Starts: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ

But he probably was not the author if I remember correctly:

Need to check

 

[Sumadji]

he probably was not the author if I remember correctly:

AI overview:
Yes, the Epistle of James is traditionally attributed to James the brother of Jesus, also known as James the Just:

 

[Subduction Zone]

Starts: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ

Need to check

I edited my post. But yes, just "James". No " brother of Jesus".

 

[Muffled]

That is called confirmation bias. It is the exact same "foundation" that a Hindu or a Muslim will have. There is nothing wrong with claiming that you believe something, but when you make obvious false claims about your beliefs people will correct you.

I believe that is false. Hindus and Muslims can only Claim Jesus as a founation if they have received Him as Lord and Savior. Their own foundations are based on words by sinful men who won't be able to perform them.

 

[Muffled]

Muffled, I'm sorry, but he is correct. You have demonstrated over and over that you lack the basics.

I believe you must be having trouble seeing through that haze you have ceated.

 

[Sumadji]

I edited my post. But yes, just "James". No " brother of Jesus".

Sorry. I understand. However there doesn't seem to be any general consensus

 

[Tomef]

You don't know what I think about atheist

You just said what you think, in the previous post.

 

[Sumadji]

You just said what you think, in the previous post.

Care to explain what you think I said I think about atheists in the previous post?

 

[Tomef]

Care to explain what you think I said I think about atheists in the previous post?

You can read it yourself. What did you say?

 

[Tomef]

Care to explain what you think I said I think about atheists in the previous post?

Nb. the quote is 'my father's house has many rooms'.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Sorry. I understand. However there doesn't seem to be any general consensus

It would seem that the general consensus among scholars is that it was not James the brother of Christ. Do not be fooled by apologists. Apologists are not scholars. They are almost always people paid to lie for the religion of their choice. Scholars are those that publish in peer reviewed articles and have to support their arguments with evidence and rational reasoning.

But all of that is moot. Didn't you read the Epistle of James? I linked it for you. He says nothing about Jesus in it. He is only telling fellow Christians how they should behave without any reference to any supposed words or acts of Jesus.

 

[Tomef]

Have you read the letter of James lately? He does not say anything about Jesus there. But he probably was not the author if I remember correctly:

James: The General Epistle of James

James might have been the author, the style matches what is known about his personality as a bit of a pulpit thumper.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe that is false. Hindus and Muslims can only Claim Jesus as a founation if they have received Him as Lord and Savior. Their own foundations are based on words by sinful men who won't be able to perform them.

LOL! And Hindus will claim that people can only claim Brahman as a foundation and Muslims will claim that only Allah can be a foundation. They have faith, you have faith. How would any of you show the others to be wrong? Muslims will tell you that Jesus was just a man. A prophet of God, but still just a man. Hindus may even say that Jesus is just a myth. They would not even say that he was a prophet.

 

[Tomef]

It would seem that the general consensus among scholars is that it was not James the brother of Christ. Do not be fooled by apologists. Apologists are not scholars. They are almost always people paid to lie for the religion of their choice. Scholars are those that publish in peer reviewed articles and have to support their arguments with evidence and rational reasoning.

But all of that is moot. Didn't you read the Epistle of James? I linked it for you. He says nothing about Jesus in it. He is only telling fellow Christians how they should behave without any reference to any supposed words or acts of Jesus.

Jesus does get a few mentions.

 

[Sumadji]

You can read it yourself. What did you say?

Don't talk down to me.

My brothers and many of my family and friends are atheists, I'm in the workplace with all sorts of other people. I have close gay friends and family and a gay married cousin. All atheists. I work with all sorts of people. We don't judge and talk down to one another.

all of that is moot. Didn't you read the Epistle of James? I linked it for you. He says nothing about Jesus in it. He is only telling fellow Christians how they should behave without any reference to any supposed words or acts of Jesus.

I acknowledge there is controversy about authorship and will continue my own research. Don't talk down to me about apologists. You don't know anything about me

As for not talking about Jesus, he introduced the letter with: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Sumadji]

I watched this discussion and thank you. The other guy decidedly scored a couple of body shots on Bart, imo