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There are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus in the New Testament

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Seems to me that the O.P has never listened to Professor Bart Erhman...an atheist who is an expert on the historical Jesus and who believes from the actual evidence, the man really existed!
No. Admitting that there probably was a Jesus does not mean that there were eyewitness accounts in the New Testament. You mentioned Bart Ehrman. He would tell you not only that there is no eyewitness testimony in the New Testament, he would explain how he knows that.
 

Sumadji

Active Member
the Epistles of Peter state that the disciple Peter who was an eyewitness wrote them (whether directly or through a scribe is irrelevant
The letters of Peter are not commonly accepted as authentic by many experts. But the letter of James, the brother of Jesus, is accepted? I'm open to correction.

Jesus's own brother was surely an eyewitness?
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
That is called confirmation bias. It is the exact same "foundation" that a Hindu or a Muslim will have. There is nothing wrong with claiming that you believe something, but when you make obvious false claims about your beliefs people will correct you.
I believe that is false. Hindus and Muslims can only Claim Jesus as a founation if they have received Him as Lord and Savior. Their own foundations are based on words by sinful men who won't be able to perform them.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Sorry. I understand. However there doesn't seem to be any general consensus
It would seem that the general consensus among scholars is that it was not James the brother of Christ. Do not be fooled by apologists. Apologists are not scholars. They are almost always people paid to lie for the religion of their choice. Scholars are those that publish in peer reviewed articles and have to support their arguments with evidence and rational reasoning.

But all of that is moot. Didn't you read the Epistle of James? I linked it for you. He says nothing about Jesus in it. He is only telling fellow Christians how they should behave without any reference to any supposed words or acts of Jesus.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
I believe that is false. Hindus and Muslims can only Claim Jesus as a founation if they have received Him as Lord and Savior. Their own foundations are based on words by sinful men who won't be able to perform them.
LOL! And Hindus will claim that people can only claim Brahman as a foundation and Muslims will claim that only Allah can be a foundation. They have faith, you have faith. How would any of you show the others to be wrong? Muslims will tell you that Jesus was just a man. A prophet of God, but still just a man. Hindus may even say that Jesus is just a myth. They would not even say that he was a prophet.
 

Tomef

Well-Known Member
It would seem that the general consensus among scholars is that it was not James the brother of Christ. Do not be fooled by apologists. Apologists are not scholars. They are almost always people paid to lie for the religion of their choice. Scholars are those that publish in peer reviewed articles and have to support their arguments with evidence and rational reasoning.

But all of that is moot. Didn't you read the Epistle of James? I linked it for you. He says nothing about Jesus in it. He is only telling fellow Christians how they should behave without any reference to any supposed words or acts of Jesus.
Jesus does get a few mentions.
 

Sumadji

Active Member
You can read it yourself. What did you say?
Don't talk down to me.

My brothers and many of my family and friends are atheists, I'm in the workplace with all sorts of other people. I have close gay friends and family and a gay married cousin. All atheists. I work with all sorts of people. We don't judge and talk down to one another.
all of that is moot. Didn't you read the Epistle of James? I linked it for you. He says nothing about Jesus in it. He is only telling fellow Christians how they should behave without any reference to any supposed words or acts of Jesus.
I acknowledge there is controversy about authorship and will continue my own research. Don't talk down to me about apologists. You don't know anything about me

As for not talking about Jesus, he introduced the letter with: James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ
 
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