There are no mistakes in Quran

[paarsurrey]

It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.
Thread open for discussion to everybody.
Regards

 

[Revoltingest]

How could one know there are no mistakes?

 

[paarsurrey]

It is in relation to Posts #24 and #25 by our friend Mazdaian.
Regards

 

[psychoslice]

No human is perfect, so of course there would be mistakes in some form.

 

[YmirGF]

It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.
Thread open for discussion to everybody.
Regards

How about the little nugget about fresh and salt water never mixing? It is blatantly false.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Something occured to me. If all scriptures of all faiths were perfect, what is the need to rewrite it? Wouldn't we get it the first time around?

Since we don't; obviously, there is some imperfection in all scriptures hence to need to keep clarifying it with thousands of Qurans, Bibles, Sutra interpretations, and the like.

How do Christians say: It's not the words, it's the Word.

@paarsurrey

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Quran contains numerous verses claiming geocentricism, it claims salt and fresh water don't mix, night is not a veil, there are more than seven planets in the solar system, the earth was not created in six days (or four or two), there was no Adam and Eve, humans were not made from clay, sperm do not come from the backbones and ribs, the earth is not fixed, mountains do not prevent earthquakes, and no one can sleep for 300 years and live to tell about it.

 

[morphesium]

It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.
Thread open for discussion to everybody.
Regards

If God comes to you and say Quran is not right, you will not reject Quran. You have been so much brainwashed that you cant see what is rational and what is irrational, what is real and what is myth. You are probably too afraid to think against Quran.
You have tonnes of proof out there and still you can't find a single one?
If it is God who made us then it is our moral and rational thinking capability that God has given us- these are the real virtues, not Quran.
If Quran is right, one has to admit that God doesn't know Human psychology, doesn't have the understanding of free will, along with the many scientific facts.

 

[Unification]

If God comes to you and say Quran is not right, you will not reject Quran. You have been so much brainwashed that you cant see what is rational and what is irrational, what is real and what is myth. You are probably too afraid to think against Quran.
You have tonnes of proof out there and still you can't find a single one?
If it is God who made us then it is our moral and rational thinking capability that God has given us- these are the real virtues, not Quran.
If Quran is right, one has to admit that God doesn't know Human psychology, doesn't have the understanding of free will, along with the many scientific facts.

And if it's about the mind, and human psychology? What if the Quran is right, it's just been completely interpreted wrong? What if it's about the mind, reality, virtue, science, rational thinking ability, free will, etc.?

 

[Unification]

How about the little nugget about fresh and salt water never mixing? It is blatantly false.

True, when literal.
False, when allegorical. Such as a sweet mind won't mix with a bitter mind. Something new or different, not previously known won't mix with something old and preserved. In mind.

 

[icehorse]

Hi paarsurrey,

In the past, when I debate a Muslim concerning the Quran, it always boils down to this: whomever I'm debating declares that *they* know the true meaning of the words in the book. That claim makes it a debate without meaning.

 

[ak.yonathan]

Something occured to me. If all scriptures of all faiths were perfect, what is the need to rewrite it? Wouldn't we get it the first time around?

Since we don't; obviously, there is some imperfection in all scriptures hence to need to keep clarifying it with thousands of Qurans, Bibles, Sutra interpretations, and the like.

How do Christians say: It's not the words, it's the Word.

@paarsurrey

Could it be that Satan perverted the messages in Scripture?

 

[Augustus]

when I debate a Muslim concerning the Quran, it always boils down to this: whomever I'm debating declares that *they* know the true meaning of the words in the book. That claim makes it a debate without meaning.

True, when literal.
False, when allegorical.

That's the thing with religious texts, if something is literally true then it should be taken literally, if something is false when taken literally, then it is a metaphor, allegory, analogy or some other kind of rhetorical trope.

Language is so flexible that you can have the same ayats and some people say it shows something scientifically false and others say it is a 'scientific miracle' (i.e 7:54, 21:31, etc).

For a Muslim there are no mistakes in the Quran because the Quran is eternal and perfect, which precludes the possibility of any errors. For a Muslim, a literally untrue verse must be a metaphor because the Quran is inerrant, a rational analysis (from the Muslim perspective) would have a huge weight of evidence to support this.

For most non-Muslims debating the issue, they probably want to show the Quran is false, so are more inclined to take things literally.

People are operating with different hermeneutical frameworks, and they are both 'right' in their own sort of ways.

So it is true that, for a believer, there are no mistakes in the Quran. Vague, poetic language is hard to pin an exact meaning on giving a wide enough potential range of interpretation to make this so. It isn't written as a scientific textbook.

The same is probably true of the Bible though, if you start from the perspective that it is true, anything can be explained away with a little creativity. Agreement ca't be reached though as each side is looking at a completely different set of 'evidence'.

 

[Princeps Eugenius]

It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.
Thread open for discussion to everybody.
Regards

For some reason i read the thread name as 'There are no miracles in the Quran'.

 

[YmirGF]

True, when literal.
False, when allegorical. Such as a sweet mind won't mix with a bitter mind. Something new or different, not previously known won't mix with something old and preserved. In mind.

Hogwash.

 

[FearGod]

It is due to wrong understanding of Quran, much propagated by the opposing websites.
If one studies Quran oneself:

• intently
• unbiased
• with an open mind
• and with correct approach

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.
Thread open for discussion to everybody.
Regards

Some will still find the quran being wrong, I didn't find a better answers than some verses from the quran itself.

I will turn away from My signs those who are arrogant upon the earth without right; and if they should see every sign, they will not believe in it. And if they see the way of consciousness, they will not adopt it as a way; but if they see the way of error, they will adopt it as a way. That is because they have denied Our signs and they were heedless of them.(7:146)

Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.(2:6)

Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.(2:7)

And no sign comes to them from the signs of their Lord except that they turn away therefrom.(6:4)

For they had denied the truth when it came to them, but there is going to reach them the news of what they used to ridicule.(6:5)

And even if We had sent down to you, [O Muhammad], a written scripture on a page and they touched it with their hands, the disbelievers would say, "This is not but obvious magic."(6:7)

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

From the mistakes of the Koran
1. Flat Earth
While the earth is spherical
Did God not know that the earth is spherical ??
Why Muhammad did not tell this scientific achievement ???
Does God was asleep ??

 

[wizanda]

One won't find any mistakes in Quran.

The Quran repeats loads of times, 'God made all beings in pairs', and 'plants', etc.... Yet we find there are Asexual beings; so basically a slug contradicts the Quran!

Nothing by humans is perfect, stop praising books and people; recognize there is only one thing that is perfect, and that is God.

 

[FearGod]

The Quran repeats loads of times, 'God made all beings in pairs', and 'plants', etc.... Yet we find there are Asexual beings; so basically a slug contradicts the Quran!

Nothing by humans is perfect, stop praising books and people; recognize there is only one thing that is perfect, and that is God.

Asexual and other that we don't know is mentioned in the quran but the problem with the interpretation.

(36:36) سُبْحَانَ الَّذِي خَلَقَ الْأَزْوَاجَ كُلَّهَا مِمَّا تُنْبِتُ الْأَرْضُ وَمِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ

الْأَزْوَاجَ : pairs
وَمِنْ أَنْفُسِهِمْ : from themselves (asexual)
وَمِمَّا لَا يَعْلَمُونَ : from unknown

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

There is a massive gap between being true and not having any mistakes.
however the Quran is neither totally true nor with out errors.