-Peacemaker-
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That's pretty weak that you're now blaming me for the fact we won't actually get some answers. Why do I suspect I right on the money with my observation that you don't appear to have thought this through
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There are no polytheists in the West.
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That's pretty weak that you're now blaming me for the fact we won't actually get some answers. Why do I suspect I right on the money with my observation that you don't appear to have thought this through
*raises eyebrow*
KingoftheJungle has the right to define what "god" means to him as he sees fit.
As do the rest of us.
I have thought an awful lot about what "god" means to me, and the "god" proposed by classical monotheism - what KotJ proposes - makes no sense to me. I would be willing to explain the polytheistic mindset, but given KotJ doesn't appear at all interested in actually understanding polytheism, I will save my energy and knowledge for those who do show proper respect and genuine curiosity.
KingoftheJungle has the right to define what "god" means to him as he sees fit.
As do the rest of us.
I have thought an awful lot about what "god" means to me, and the "god" proposed by classical monotheism - what KotJ proposes - makes no sense to me. I would be willing to explain the polytheistic mindset, but given KotJ doesn't appear at all interested in actually understanding polytheism, I will save my energy and knowledge for those who do show proper respect and genuine curiosity.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
*raises eyebrow*
KingoftheJungle has the right to define what "god" means to him as he sees fit.
As do the rest of us.
I have thought an awful lot about what "god" means to me, and the "god" proposed by classical monotheism - what KotJ proposes - makes no sense to me. I would be willing to explain the polytheistic mindset, but given KotJ doesn't appear at all interested in actually understanding polytheism, I will save my energy and knowledge for those who do show proper respect and genuine curiosity.
If this is something other than rationalism and/or secularism simply mixed with some occult elements I'd genuinely like to hear about it
Ever hear of the Nasadiya? It's one of the many creation hymns from the Rig Veda, and in fact, one of the most well-known. While most of it is an exposition on how the universe might have come into being, the final two lines are most unique:
Who really knows? Who can presume to tell it?
Whence was it born? Whence issued this creation?
Even the Gods came after its emergence
Then who can tell from whence it came to be?
That out of which creation has arisen;
whether it held it firm or it did not,
He who surveys it in the highest heaven
He surely knows or maybe he does not!
I, for one, never considered so-called omniscience to be a prerequisite for having the title of "God."
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As quintessence said, You show no interest in actually understanding polytheism in general or my gods and my religion specifically. Why should I take the time to explain something so personal to me to one who has shown a blatant disregard and disrespect for what so many hold so dear? Why should I explain my faith to you when you seek to belittle my gods and my relationship with them just because they don't fit into your narrow little box?
Besides the shoe is on your foot as well as you have continuously refused to answer or completely dodged answering all of my questions as well as several other questions asked of you in this thread. That alone is telling that you are not here to understand but to preach and gloat.
change your tone and prove that you actually do want to understand where I'm coming from and what I believe and I'll reconsider explaining my beliefs, but I have dealt with far too much bullying in my life to simply add fuel to your sanctimonious fire in the form of that which is so precious to me.
This whole time I've been trying to understand where you're coming from. If you start showing me the same courtesy then I'll talk, but no sooner.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
Fair enough
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Still deriding other god concepts because they don't match up to your own ideals?
Me Myself
Back to my username
We worship the gods because it is good for us. If we stop thinking it is good for us, then we don´t
You do the same. Naturaly you haven´t thought it is bad for you to worship the hell deity (yet) but given that you say that you worship God because it is what you think is best for you, then the only real difference here is that you have commandments and we do not.
We worship the gods, not some "rules" .
At least for me, my worship is far deeper than any rule could emprison. God is too sublime to talk through words or obligations.
My gods are simply way bigger than that.
They are so big they do not have a need to order me anything.
Why is your God so weak he needs to give orders?
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
FWIW, I don't think my definition of "god", what one trusts most in the world, is the only definition. I think it is the only one that really matters when talking about implications for how we live our life. Sure people get warm fuzzy feeling talking to spiritual entities. Sure they may feel like they learn some life lessons but beyond these things, their life would've been exactly the same had so and so 'god' not been in their life. What we depend on, hope in, and have faith in the most is what will really determine how we live our life and consequently, the fruit that comes from our life.
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Me Myself
Back to my username
Given that your concept remains a very narrow one and one that almost no one shares, your initial statement remains false.
To most people: God = deity you worship and give importance to and in some way shape your life
Pretty much us. The difference is that you think your god speaks through commandments, and well at least talking for myself, my gods use way subtler means. They shape my life by shaping me.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Well, you'd be wrong, as usual. the various pagan faiths are not just yours with different names. Most of the things you seek from your faith are worthless to us. From teh quotes I can gleen that were left behind, your original OP was not humorous, but rather trite and insulting, aside all the obvious total lack of awareness of the other religions thriving around you.
Not that this surprises me in the least.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
What? My statement is false because according to you hardly anyone shares my view? Did you just say that or am I misinterpretting?
Me Myself
Back to my username
You are saying that because we do not fit with YOUR definition of God, that is not in a single english dictionary, then politheists don´t exist.
You are blatantly wrong o.o
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
There are many instances where not following the requirements of Virtue which come to us from the Asir are taxing, tiring, and not rewarding in the immediate selfish sense. Do you not understand how vexing it is to fight against liars, deceivers and outright idiots on a daily basis? There's no tangible reward, believe me.
As to other such virtues, another aspect of following the character guides which I am under which you would not get is that I won't be forgiven, like you, and have some easy out. The point is I cannot make mistakes. Do you grasp how hard it is to live under such a thing? Your system of groveling and repentance is such a breeze you have no idea. Not a single one of you has ever evidenced even the slightest fear that you yourself would actually go to the Hell you claim your God keeps warm for all the sinners. You've got such an easy out! lol. It's ridiculous.
Hard polytheist, hard as they come.
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
You're getting sidetracked by things that aren't important like debating whether "polytheists" actually exist. I just wanted to make an eye grabbing thread title. The point of the thread was to talk about concepts of god/God that ACTUALLY MATTER in terms of how we live our lives
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
So you actually believe that you're under the law of the gods and that there will be consequences for your actions from the your gods? Also, what's a hard polytheist?
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
It's odd, I must agree. From the posts I have read he basically assumes that because we do not ask for or are asked the same things as occur in his faith, we aren't religious, or our faiths don't exist. One of the youngest faiths, demanding the Old Guys play by his rules.
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
Yes, of course.
A hard polytheist is one who believes that all the Gods are separate distinct personalities, and that they definitely exist as such. At least as far as I am aware of the definition. Oft times your assertions seem to state that we are soft, that we choose what is pleasing to us; the Gods chose me, not vice versa
Heathen Hammer
Nope, you're still wrong
I guess I really should take some time later and read this entire thread; it looks to be a real gem!
-Peacemaker-
.45 Cal
Yes, of course.
A hard polytheist is one who believes that all the Gods are separate distinct personalities, and that they definitely exist as such. At least as far as I am aware of the definition. Oft times your assertions seem to state that we are soft, that we choose what is pleasing to us; the Gods chose me, not vice versa
we might be now approaching the concept of a "god" that I've been arguing really matters. It sounds as if your god actually requires some faith in something above yourself
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