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There are over 8600 deaths everyday in the US

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested. But when life is squandered through soft and careless living, and when it's spent on no worthwhile pursuit, death finally presses and we realize that the life which we didn't notice passing has passed away. So it is: the life we are given isn't short but we make it so."

-Seneca, "On the Shortness of Life"

On the first read of this passage, one might think that Seneca is over-generalizing here, as many people die rather young and still others spend their lives without the opportunity for great accomplishment. It's important to remember Seneca's audience here: people who are able to read his work and who proclaim that life is short.

Those people are capable of accomplishing the greatest things, although these "great things" aren't necessarily in reference to solely material achievements. Moral discipline is seen as one of the greatest achievements by Stoic thinkers. In line with that thought, anyone who is capable of reading the words in this passage would be capable of cultivating that discipline.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
What is a "wasted" life?

By what criteria do we determine the purpose of living? How do we decide who decides this?

I am a Taoist. I don't accept that any life is ever "wasted". It only may appear that way when we presume ourselves in a position to judge.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'd like to see the death rate higher than the birth rate.
Would give us all a little more elbow room, & cut the
cost of living. I don't know how to achieve this though.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
When you think about it, life is short but its also the longest thing you will ever do.
"A lifetime of discovery."

In the US around 8600 people die every day.
Most of these that die are likely retirees, however some of them are too young to retire. In addition approximately 65% of American adults wear glasses and have cell phones. Its unclear what happens to all of those glasses and cell phones when people die.

Think about the population of the town where you live and compare it to that. 8600 is over four times the population of where I live.
With a death rate of 8600 per day my town could be wiped out tomorrow, but the county has enough people to last for at least three more days.

:D
 

PoetPhilosopher

Veteran Member
I'd like to see the death rate higher than the birth rate.
Would give us all a little more elbow room, & cut the
cost of living. I don't know how to achieve this though.

No need to plan death. Instead, just open the floodgates on LGBT+ and don't condemn the practice, which will reduce birth rate and empty out orphanages. Seems like a positive all around, and no worrying about death is needed.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The US life span us starting to decrease. That may be helpful.
As long as it doesn't apply to me.
Hey, I have an idea!
Women's lives should be shortened so
they die as young as men do on average.
It's currently about a 5 year difference.
 

The Sum of Awe

Brought to you by the moment that spacetime began.
Staff member
Premium Member
"It's not that we have a short time to live, but that we waste much of it. Life is long enough, and it's been given to us in generous measure for accomplishing the greatest things, if the whole of it is well invested. But when life is squandered through soft and careless living, and when it's spent on no worthwhile pursuit, death finally presses and we realize that the life which we didn't notice passing has passed away. So it is: the life we are given isn't short but we make it so."

-Seneca, "On the Shortness of Life"
Sometimes we have to stay in bed all day, we just don't have the energy to rise and face another day. That's okay, we can't overwhelm ourselves.
Sometimes we have to binge watch a TV series and that is a week just sitting and staring at a screen. That's okay, we enjoyed ourselves and did something memorable.
Sometimes we spend a lot of time reading philosophy books and articles online. That's okay, we're learning something and perhaps enjoying it.
Sometimes we work 60 hour work weeks. That's okay, a little extra money here and there can increase the quality of our life by a little bit - so long as this job isn't the only thing we're spending our time doing.

There are so many ways to waste life away, we can't go on adventures every day unfortunately. But that is why long term goals in life are important as well.

On the first read of this passage, one might think that Seneca is over-generalizing here, as many people die rather young and still others spend their lives without the opportunity for great accomplishment. It's important to remember Seneca's audience here: people who are able to read his work and who proclaim that life is short.

Those people are capable of accomplishing the greatest things, although these "great things" aren't necessarily in reference to solely material achievements. Moral discipline is seen as one of the greatest achievements by Stoic thinkers. In line with that thought, anyone who is capable of reading the words in this passage would be capable of cultivating that discipline.
The more wisdom a person acquires in their life, even through reading the works of philosophers, the greater the quality of life they'll have. But, like the 60 hour work week, moderation is good.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I'd like to see the death rate higher than the birth rate.
Would give us all a little more elbow room, & cut the
cost of living. I don't know how to achieve this though.
You could take the plunge yourself if you really believe that, but people who believe such ghoulish things always want it for someone else. I imagine it's also easy to say when you're elderly, are not long for the grave and/or have already lived your life. Some of us are young and would like to actually have families and such. You know, have a life.
 

Ella S.

Well-Known Member
Sometimes we have to stay in bed all day, we just don't have the energy to rise and face another day. That's okay, we can't overwhelm ourselves.
Sometimes we have to binge watch a TV series and that is a week just sitting and staring at a screen. That's okay, we enjoyed ourselves and did something memorable.
Sometimes we spend a lot of time reading philosophy books and articles online. That's okay, we're learning something and perhaps enjoying it.
Sometimes we work 60 hour work weeks. That's okay, a little extra money here and there can increase the quality of our life by a little bit - so long as this job isn't the only thing we're spending our time doing.

There are so many ways to waste life away, we can't go on adventures every day unfortunately. But that is why long term goals in life are important as well.

I agree with this sentiment. I've had to set aside time for me to recover from the bustle of the holiday season over the past 2 months, as it's been quite an exhausting experience for me to remain composed and complete everything that needed to be done.

All I want to do is get back to studying for my next certificate, hunt for some web vulnerabilities, or jump back into learning low-level programming, but I have to pace myself. Life is a marathon, not a sprint. I have to take some compromises on pursuing my goals now in order to avoid undermining them in the long-term. That means taking care of the health of my body and mind.

What might be a waste to one person isn't necessarily a waste to another. I'm kind of wasting my time here on RF, but I find some of the conversations stimulating enough for when I'm not doing something that demands more serious thought.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You could take the plunge yourself if you really believe that, but people who believe such ghoulish things always want it for someone else. I imagine it's also easy to say when you're elderly, are not long for the grave and/or have already lived your life. Some of us are young and would like to actually have families and such. You know, have a life.
There's nothing "ghoulish" about wanting
population decline. Sharks, trees, dugongs,
frogs, & orangutans would cheer us on.
It's bad for humanity to breed like rabbits
(no offense to @Dan From Smithville), &
covering the planet with asphalt & houses
while denuding the oceans of life.
Start imagining the best instead of the worst.
 
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