There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[adi2d]

That would take me far to long. When a people become that wicked they trigger condemnation upon themself. God is helpless in preventing it, as helpless as he is in preventing an apple from falling to the floor.

Here you go. Can't even stop an apple from falling to the floor.

 

[outhouse]

. I really could not care less if you think that Christians are a bunch of delusional idiots who must be mentally incapable because of what the choose to believe.


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Its not a matter of how much fundamentalist apologetics you want to stand at attention to.

Its a matter of what you say and do. Do not inject your mistakes into all of Christianity just because you share some similar beliefs.

I happen to know many credible Christians that would want nothing to do with beliefs you hold.


You so far in all this thread have not made a coherent case for any mythological character actually existing.


You have failed to realize man has a very long clear and factual history of creating deities at will.

 

[Serenity7855]

Sorry, where did I say God is helpless only that is something that I would not say unless it referred to a specific thing that God could not do without putting his marvellous work and wonder into jeopardy

You to can know that God lives by following the following instructions.

James 1:5-6

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.


3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the btruth of all things.

I did not say that I had accomplished it, I said "I have put my case forward adequately and honestly" you have a habit of twisting what I have said and then putting it back in my mouth. Why not be a nice chappie, for once, and tell it like it is. Like with the Cambrian thing. I got it wrong and admitted I was wrong, with the reasoning being that I am not a evolutionary biologist. But you are depicting it like I still believe it. There is nothing wrong in being wrong because the next time I will know and not be wrong. What have your learned today. How to better insult a Christian?

This is just BS."Like when I asked you for evidence you said you would get to it (get your mojo) now you are saying you gave the evidence" I tried to bring in the anthropic principle but you and your gang derailed the thread preventing it from developing.

What do you get by posting garbage like this. Do you delude yourself into believing what you say. Does it get you off thinking that you got one over on a Christian. Does it help to take the frustration out of the bullies you work with. What motivates you into being nasty, sarcastic, insulting and crass?

 

[outhouse]

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the btruth of all things.

Quit talking about things you know nothing about.


Your above quote as factually dead wrong


You don't learn anything valuable from a silly made up ghost, because ancient people had no idea what a conscious mind was.


No one goes to ghost school to learn medicine or law, they do go to real professors who teach the opposite of what you call truth is.

 

[adi2d]

Sorry, where did I say God is helpless only that is something that I would not say unless it referred to a specific thing that God could not do without putting his marvellous work and wonder into jeopardy

You to can know that God lives by following the following instructions.

James 1:5-6

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.


3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your hearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the btruth of all things.

I did not say that I had accomplished it, I said "I have put my case forward adequately and honestly" you have a habit of twisting what I have said and then putting it back in my mouth. Why not be a nice chappie, for once, and tell it like it is. Like with the Cambrian thing. I got it wrong and admitted I was wrong, with the reasoning being that I am not a evolutionary biologist. But you are depicting it like I still believe it. There is nothing wrong in being wrong because the next time I will know and not be wrong. What have your learned today. How to better insult a Christian?

This is just BS."Like when I asked you for evidence you said you would get to it (get your mojo) now you are saying you gave the evidence" I tried to bring in the anthropic principle but you and your gang derailed the thread preventing it from developing.

What do you get by posting garbage like this. Do you delude yourself into believing what you say. Does it get you off thinking that you got one over on a Christian. Does it help to take the frustration out of the bullies you work with. What motivates you into being nasty, sarcastic, insulting and crass?

I want to believe so I keep searching.

 

[outhouse]

What motivates you into being nasty, sarcastic, insulting and crass?

I find willfully ignorant insulting militant theist nauseating.


I have more passion for your religion then you, so I study it. I happen to know what I am talking about. And unlike you when I have an opinion on something I try and state "its my opinion" instead of claiming I know.

It bothers me you refuse education and knowledge on the topics you debate, when I offered you NT studies at Yale by a great professor Dale B Martin.


You may not like the truth or reality, or enjoy when someone uses the truth on you. I started here and staff was hard on me here, I hated it at first. Now im glad because it increased my knowledge and gave me the ability to learn and think out of the box, over my current skill set.

Im not sure anyone can get you to think outside the little eggshell world you created around you, due to your theistic bias you wont let go of, in favor of faith, instead of education and knowledge.


Put a best foot forward here and people will help you.

 

[s2a]

Just wondering, kinda....

What omniscient, omnipresent, or "youtube" moment deity requests or expects some pious defense of "his" adherents to put forward argumentative evidences as "proof"?

Is it not the elemental aspect of "faith," defined best described as a "belief absent evident fact"?

Correct me if I am wrong in this understanding...

 

[SkepticThinker]

Trailer parks in the UK are considered posh and upper classed, therefore, you complement me rather then insult me. Dialectic is a word that is in my vocabulary, however, it is a word that I rarely see being used anywhere that I frequent. On these forums poster will use thesaurus' to dupe you into believe that they are wise and knowledgeable because people feel intimidation from knowledge. I have a right to be here, I have a right to voice an opinion and I will be damned if I will let anyone intimidate me into shutting my mouth because they think they are cleverer then I am. I will have a diabectic with anyone one but I will defend myself if I am spoken down to. It is arrogance to expect people to shut up just because you believe you know better

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But I believe that the thread has run its course now. I have put my case forward adequately and honestly. I do not expect anyone to run and jump into the nearest baptismal font. I am not an evangelist. I really could not care less if you think that Christians are a bunch of delusional idiots who must be mentally incapable because of what the choose to believe. You will know if you cocked up when you die, as will I. If you have cocked up then you will have some explaining to do. If I have cocked up it will not matter as there will be nothing to worry about.

Pascal's wager is garbage.

You could easily have "cocked up" just as much as anybody else. What are you going to do if you die and find yourself face to face with Odin?

 

[Sapiens]

Trailer parks in the UK are considered posh and upper classed, therefore, you complement me rather then insult me. Dialectic is a word that is in my vocabulary, however, it is a word that I rarely see being used anywhere that I frequent. On these forums poster will use thesaurus' to dupe you into believe that they are wise and knowledgeable because people feel intimidation from knowledge. I have a right to be here, I have a right to voice an opinion and I will be damned if I will let anyone intimidate me into shutting my mouth because they think they are cleverer then I am. I will have a diabectic with anyone one but I will defend myself if I am spoken down to. It is arrogance to expect people to shut up just because you believe you know better

If you rarely hear or see the word "dialectic" any where that you frequent, well ... then despite the poshness of your trailer park you should consider running with a better educated crowd.

You indeed have a right to be here and I have a right to show everyone that reads this thread that you are also wrong, despite that right. I do not usually pick on typos (unlike some fools that I know) but this one is just too tasty, "I will have a diabectic with anyone ... " Would you like your diabetic rolled in powered sugar or with marmalade? Defend away, just try and do better, this is getting to be like shooting fish in a barrel. I anticipate that you will find an excuse to "shut up." I suspect that the reason for that is that you will have lost your argument badly, that might be because I actually do know better than you do.

I did not say that I had accomplished it, I said "I have put my case forward adequately and honestly" you have a habit of twisting what I have said and then putting it back in my mouth. Why not be a nice chappie, for once, and tell it like it is. Like with the Cambrian thing. I got it wrong and admitted I was wrong, with the reasoning being that I am not a evolutionary biologist. But you are depicting it like I still believe it. There is nothing wrong in being wrong because the next time I will know and not be wrong. What have your learned today. How to better insult a Christian?

If you lack knowledge try being quiet, I believe in equal opportunity for all, don't think that I show you a fool because your a Christian ... but I must admit that your type of Christian makes it passing easy.

Does it get you off thinking that you got one over on a Christian. Does it help to take the frustration out of the bullies you work with. What motivates you into being nasty, sarcastic, insulting and crass?

Clear demonstrations of gross and complete stupidly is a good motivator.

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But I believe that the thread has run its course now. I have put my case forward adequately and honestly. I do not expect anyone to run and jump into the nearest baptismal font. I am not an evangelist. I really could not care less if you think that Christians are a bunch of delusional idiots who must be mentally incapable because of what the choose to believe. You will know if you cocked up when you die, as will I. If you have cocked up then you will have some explaining to do. If I have cocked up it will not matter as there will be nothing to worry about.

As predicted ... bye, bye.

 

[TheGunShoj]

But I believe that the thread has run its course now. I have put my case forward adequately and honestly.

I anticipate that you will find an excuse to "shut up."

As predicted ... bye, bye.

That was like a bible prophecy. A self fulfilling prophecy, predicting it after the fact :jester5:

 

[Sapiens]

That was like a bible prophecy. A self fulfilling prophecy, predicting it after the fact :jester5:

While I understand what you are saying, I predicted it before I'd read to the bottom of his post.

 

[TheGunShoj]

While I understand what you are saying, I predicted it before I'd read to the bottom of his post.

Hard to tell in this format. But it was a joke anyway. Not to be taken seriously. I was mocking bible prophecy, not you.

 

[Sapiens]

Thanks, I knew that and that was how I took it.

 

[Serenity7855]

If you rarely hear or see the word "dialectic" any where that you frequent, well ... then despite the poshness of your trailer park you should consider running with a better educated crowd.

No, you misunderstand, yet again. I am not in an income bracket to be able to live in a Trailer Park. No, I am a destitute pauper, scum of the earth vagabond with no education. Well, if I were to listen to your vacuous vitriol I would be. Or maybe you are a psychopath who thinks he is something that he clearly is not.

You indeed have a right to be here and I have a right to show everyone that reads this thread that you are also wrong, despite that right.

Yes, indeed you do, however, the only thing you show "everybody", like you are playing to an audience, is a narcissistic psychopathic tendency. You have some serious issues that could very well be agitated on a religious forum. Like a superiority complex.

Superiority Complex
The superiority complex is an exaggerated striving for superiority in which the individual hides their feelings of inferiority. The inferiority complex, in contrast, is an exaggerated feeling of inferiority in which the individual hides their striving for superiority. While everyone has feelings of inferiority and strive to overcome them, to be called a complex, the feeling or striving must be pathological in nature. In the case of superiority complex, the individual would deny any feelings of inferiority, any attempt to uncover it would likely be met with resistance, or violence. While a patient may exhibit one complex or the other, Adler believed that if one complex was present, then the other can be found hidden in the patient's actions. Also, Adler believed that in every case of mental illness, an exaggerated feeling of inferiority will be found. Patients are defined not by whether or not they have an inferiority complex or superiority complex, but how it manifests itself in the patient's actions.

I do not usually pick on typos (unlike some fools that I know) but this one is just too tasty,

What a bizarre statement to make. I hope you don't own a gun. You look at other people as fools as you sit on your high horse, do you? Be careful of the tasty morsel laced with arsenic.

"I will have a diabectic with anyone ... " Would you like your diabetic rolled in powered sugar or with marmalade?

Yeah, I have some sticky keys on my laptop. Annoying, isn't it?

Defend away, just try and do better, this is getting to be like shooting fish in a barrel.

What would you like me to defend. I have quite a repertoire of topics I can debate on. I am not a close minded retired oceanographer. I can debate all supernatural phenomenon and even some conspiracy theories. You will have to be more specific. You see, for me to be offended by your odious rancour I would have to value your opinion, I don't

I anticipate that you will find an excuse to "shut up."

No excuse, 2,000 post are enough for any topic. What a shame you did not enter earlier, we could have had so much fun. 60 atmospheres, and has the temerity to expect us to believe that you were subjected to 60 atmospheres and lived. 13,200 pound. Quite a weight to carry. You are a hero, like Superman.

I suspect that the reason for that is that you will have lost your argument badly, that might be because I actually do know better than you do.

You almost certainly do know somethings better then I do, as I know things better then you, however, what are you saying. Are you actually saying that my dad is bigger then your dad? How very puerile and child like.

If you lack knowledge try being quiet,

Funny, I am paid big bucks for my knowledge, are you? I will get royalties until the day I die. My wife thinks I am a genius.

I believe in equal opportunity for all,

No you do not, you most certainly do not. :no:

don't think that I show you a fool because your a Christian ..

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You treat all Christians with contempt. That is what bigoted, closed minded atheists trolls do.

but I must admit that your type of Christian makes it passing easy.

What type of Christian do you consider me to be?

Clear demonstrations of gross and complete stupidly is a good motivator.

Hey, I wouldn't say you were stupid. Narcissists are generally quite clever, full of pride and arrogance never admitting to be wrong, even when the evidence is set out plainly before their eyes, they will still not admit being wrong. But please, do not call yourself stupid on my behalf.

As predicted ... bye, bye.

Retired, these are the words spoken in the same attitude as my 5 year old grandson would say. You do yourself no favours only discredit.

 

[Sapiens]

No, you misunderstand, yet again. I am not in an income bracket to be able to live in a Trailer Park. No, I am a destitute pauper, scum of the earth vagabond with no education. Well, if I were to listen to your vacuous vitriol I would be. Or maybe you are a psychopath who thinks he is something that he clearly is not.

Something you will never, given your lack of both deductive and inductive skills ever know.

Yes, indeed you do, however, the only thing you show "everybody", like you are playing to an audience, is a narcissistic psychopathic tendency. You have some serious issues that could very well be agitated on a religious forum. Like a superiority complex.

It's also called "teaching." Maybe not to you, but for others that are in a more teachable moment, less convinced of the righteousness of a suite of very peculiar views.

What a bizarre statement to make. I hope you don't own a gun. You look at other people as fools as you sit on your high horse, do you? Be careful of the tasty morsel laced with arsenic.

That is bizarre about that, you started the typo hunt ... remember?

What would you like me to defend. I have quite a repertoire of topics I can debate on. I am not a close minded retired oceanographer. I can debate all supernatural phenomenon and even some conspiracy theories. You will have to be more specific. You see, for me to be offended by your odious rancour I would have to value your opinion, I don't

Anything that you might be capable of ... we've yet to see any demonstration of knowledge or skill.

No excuse, 2,000 post are enough for any topic. What a shame you did not enter earlier, we could have had so much fun. 60 atmospheres, and has the temerity to expect us to believe that you were subjected to 60 atmospheres and lived. 13,200 pound. Quite a weight to carry. You are a hero, like Superman.

I think it was actually 66 ata. I was not on those dives. This was the Atlantis series conducted at Duke University (Duke Center For Hyperbaric Medicine And Environmental Physiology :: Photos :: Atlantis Dive Series Photos)

Documented here: Camporesi, Enrico M (2007). "The Atlantis Series and Other Deep Dives.". In: Moon RE, Piantadosi CA, Camporesi EM (eds.). Dr. Peter Bennett Symposium Proceedings. Held May 1, 2004. Durham, N.C.: (Divers Alert Network).

You almost certainly do know somethings better then I do, as I know things better then you, however, what are you saying. Are you actually saying that my dad is bigger then your dad? How very puerile and child like.

Don't know about dads, I hope yours is more up to the measure than you are.

Funny, I am paid big bucks for my knowledge, are you? I will get royalties until the day I die. My wife thinks I am a genius.

I am so happy that at least your wife likes you, none, even you, should be completely unadmired by the world.

I do OK, consulting keeps the wolf from the door. I don't get royalties, my sixty-odd papers were done in pursuit of knowledge not lucre.

No you do not, you most certainly do not. :no:

Oh, but I do ... I treat all religious nuts the same, regardless of affiliation.

You treat all Christians with contempt. That is what bigoted, closed minded atheists trolls do.

Not all, just the nuts.

What type of Christian do you consider me to be?

A nut.

Hey, I wouldn't say you were stupid. Narcissists are generally quite clever, full of pride and arrogance never admitting to be wrong, even when the evidence is set out plainly before their eyes, they will still not admit being wrong. But please, do not call yourself stupid on my behalf.

Not to worry, I wont.

Retired, these are the words spoken in the same attitude as my 5 year old grandson would say. You do yourself no favours only discredit.

Just making sure you understand ... tailoring my message to the audience.

You are such a poor misinformed soul. You make so much noise and know so little.

 

[Serenity7855]

I think it was actually 66 ata. I was not on those dives. This was the Atlantis series conducted at Duke University (Duke Center For Hyperbaric Medicine And Environmental Physiology :: Photos :: Atlantis Dive Series Photos)

Are you being a little liberal with the truth again?

One way to overcome this problem is to protect the diver's body from the ambient pressure. "Atmospheric Pressure Diving" technology, the most familiar of which are deep sea submersibles, do exactly that. The pressure on the inside of a submersible is maintained at 1 ATA - the same pressure that we experience at the sea surface. Underwater, the increased ambient pressure acts on the hull of the submersible, not the diver inside. Thus, the person inside the submersible is protected from the ambient pressure at all times and has no difficulty breathing

Phys

How much pressure will be used for HBOT treatment?
Treatments for most chronic conditions, including wound healing, are usually at 2.4 Atmospheres Absolute Pressure (ATA). Most emergencies are treated with greater pressures, but usually at 3 ATA or less. Treatment for cerebral gas embolism may require compression to pressures up to 6 ATA.

Frequently asked questions about hyperbaric oxygen therapy

Documented here: Camporesi, Enrico M (2007). "The Atlantis Series and Other Deep Dives.". In: Moon RE, Piantadosi CA, Camporesi EM (eds.). Dr. Peter Bennett Symposium Proceedings. Held May 1, 2004. Durham, N.C.: (Divers Alert Network).

This is meaningless to this discussion.

You are such a poor misinformed soul. You make so much noise and know so little grasshopper. I am so happy that at least your wife likes you, none should be completely unadmired by the world.

As I have said. In order for your poor, insulting, childlike behaviour to effect me, in the slightest, I would have to value your opinion, I don't.

 

[Bunyip]

God, this thread is a tragedy.

 

[TheGunShoj]

God, this thread is a tragedy.

I was going to say the same thing. It's getting hard to read at this point. It's devolved into child like bickering, straw men and ad hominems. Can we please just let this thread die already?

 

[Serenity7855]

I was going to say the same thing. It's getting hard to read at this point. It's devolved into child like bickering, straw men and ad hominems. Can we please just let this thread die already?

No objections from me.

 

[outhouse]

I have quite a repertoire of topics I can debate on.


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:biglaugh:



To bad none of them have anything to do with religion or science or history