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There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
All posting seems to have stopped as no one knows where anything is now.. haha.

I think I shall put this to start the topic again: what is in the beginning? What is the First thing? What is the first cause? What is God?

Is he simple or complex? I say he is simple that moves to complex. It is seen in everything we see in this universe.
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
If God is trying to communicate with his offspring (us) then we should expect to see something that is recognisable and of use. If he shows us that all things appear to start simple and then evolve, what is he telling us other than that is what happened in the deeper reaches of God.

By the way, if you don't know, when you find 'watched threads' and open up 'all watched' you see the posts as before. Watched threads is at the top off forums
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Ahhh.... so this is where you posted. I am like a blind man who no one can see at the moment. I wonder why they don't change my status. Perhaps it is punishment.. haha. They are too busy no doubt. I shall talk to myself. You an all catch up later ... like the new smilies.... :)
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Can't
Robert.Evans said:
Ahhh.... so this is where you posted. I am like a blind man who no one can see at the moment. I wonder why they don't change my status. Perhaps it is punishment.. haha. They are too busy no doubt. I shall talk to myself. You an all catch up later ... like the new smilies.... :)
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Can't you change it?
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Iti oj said:
Yeah im.just messing around till I.get use to the changes
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I think everyone is. No serious posting going on at all.
I like alerts. You will get this one I suppose.
If your donlt know, on forums, if you click on watch thread, and then 'all' it will show what you had before. That at least is a start.
 
Iti oj

Iti oj

Global warming is real and we need to act
Premium Member
Yea
Robert.Evans said:
I think everyone is. No serious posting going on at all.
I like alerts. You will get this one I suppose.
If your donlt know, on forums, if you click on watch thread, and then 'all' it will show what you had before. That at least is a start.
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yep I got that alert lol. Didn't know that. Gonna go.check it out. Thanks
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Robert.Evans said:
I say that is what it is rather than believe because I feel I know. (That is what we do I guess. That is why Dawkins wrote the GD.) I cannot deny Him who gave me life.
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I certainly am not asking nor expecting you to deny what you may believe.

I will go back to the beginning. You think that it is more likely infinite and not static it seems. I say it is simple, not complex, and it a Singularity. Why? Because, for one, the universe came into being through a singularity.
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We know next to nothing about singularity, nor do we know whether singularity may have occurred to form other universes, nor do we know if our singularity was at all simple.

Life probably did on this planet. It starts from something simple to something complex. It appears to be demanded in this universe. Simple then complex. So, if God is trying to communicate with his offspring, what are we to do with that? Think he is complex and has never been simple? Doesn't fit.
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I would suggest that if there is a God that demands morality that He would absolutely make it certain that we know He exists, but such is not the case.

But let's just look at the hypothetical possibility that there's a "God gene" in us, which indeed could be relatively "simple". Since religions all over the world vary quite a bit, although most do tend to have certain items in common, which one is right? I notice you post as a Christian, and yet how exactly does this"God gene" somehow reinforce Christian values? Does it really say anything about Jesus? the resurrection? "salvation"?

Just because humans may have an inkling to believe in God or Gods, what does it say past that?

Everything comes through fractal consciousness. This is how he can reveal who and what he is (to a degree). Otherwise, as someone one said to me, if he does not communicate with us, what is the point. I did not get it at first, but later I saw his point. That is why we believe in the first place and why we have sacred scripture. It is not deluded people, it is people connected with the divine in one way or another, for thousands of years, and the largest part of the world.

So I have evidence for what I am saying. Fractals are seen in many things if you look it up... no doubt you already know. :)
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Which scriptures are "sacred"? all of them? some of them? only one of them? How can we tell?

Secondly, if God communicates with us, to whom does He speak to, and what does He say? For example, are human sacrifices part of that message? How could we tell?

There's a saying that if you have one clock, you know what time it is; but if you have several, you cannot be certain what time it is. One effect of studying many religions is that there's a tendency to question how we may have been brought up to believe in only one, and one of the effects often is a countering of an "I'm right, you're wrong" approach to faith (I'm not accusing that of you, btw).

Even if we posit that there's a God because of singularity and going from simplicity to complexity, where do we go from there?

BTW, sorry for the delay as I was out of town for a couple of days.
 
Robert.Evans

Robert.Evans

You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
metis said:
I certainly am not asking nor expecting you to deny what you may believe.
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Not believe, know. That is the difference. I can't say it is wrong. I can't deny that which is within.
If I say I know and not belief, is that arrogance, or if I say I believe and don't know, is that to lie?
We know next to nothing about singularity, nor do we know whether singularity may have occurred to form other universes, nor do we know if our singularity was at all simple.

I would suggest that if there is a God that demands morality that He would absolutely make it certain that we know He exists, but such is not the case.
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It is the case to me, and what I have been trying to put to you
But let's just look at the hypothetical possibility that there's a "God gene" in us, which indeed could be relatively "simple". Since religions all over the world vary quite a bit, although most do tend to have certain items in common, which one is right? I notice you post as a Christian, and yet how exactly does this"God gene" somehow reinforce Christian values? Does it really say anything about Jesus? the resurrection? "salvation"?
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I don't consider myself Christian. Though most would.
Just because humans may have an inkling to believe in God or Gods, what does it say past that?

Which scriptures are "sacred"? all of them? some of them? only one of them? How can we tell?
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all of them in their own way.. but not all are related.
Secondly, if God communicates with us, to whom does He speak to, and what does He say? For example, are human sacrifices part of that message? How could we tell?
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we are the fractal consciousness of God. It has morphed many times over. But we would still know, as that is what we are, the thing we speak of
There's a saying that if you have one clock, you know what time it is; but if you have several, you cannot be certain what time it is.
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I like that :)
One effect of studying many religions is that there's a tendency to question how we may have been brought up to believe in only one, and one of the effects often is a countering of an "I'm right, you're wrong" approach to faith (I'm not accusing that of you, btw).
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You should stick with the numan of the land. Each part is a reflection of the consciousness of God.
Each religion is right for its own realm. But there is something of note in the NT: the only way to the Father is through the SON. So if the son is male, and therefore masculine, what is everything else? feminine? And if so, it is the masculine we seek. But most of us, and all of us at some point, are within the feminine. The feminine is the greater part.
Even if we posit that there's a God because of singularity and going from simplicity to complexity, where do we go from there?
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We go to here, after many replications of its own Self, each one being its own God in its own Realm. Each one of us is that and is part of it. It is Thought in action.

BTW, sorry for the delay as I was out of town for a couple of days.[/QUOTE]
You are foregiven I'm sure :)

I truly thank God, I really do :)
 
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