There is more then enough evidence to prove God exists.

[Alceste]

1. this universe came into existence from a previous universe
2. This universe is a closed loop. People from our future went back in time and caused our universe
3. We are not real. We are players in a book
4. We are a science experiment of a 9th grade student


There's a start on the list. No evidence but a possibility

I like the idea that the entire universe and everything in it is a model or game programmed by an incomprehensibly intelligent race. This notion is somewhat consistent with the holographic universe hypothesis, which is why I like it.

 

[Serenity7855]

I don't need to wait. I already know God is nothing more than a story humans tell one another to make sense of the world and their place in it.

So, how do you know that then? I would be interested in seeing your evidence.

And there literally are infinite possibilities. The fact you're unable to think of any says much about your own powers of imagination, but nothing at all about the likelihood of God's existence.

No, there is not. There maybe an infinite amount of possibilities, if infinity were to exist, but there is not an infinite amount of realistic possibilities and infinity does not exist. None of those above are realistic. Hey, but you believe them if you want to. In my opinion it is a disembodied God who created the universe.

 

[Serenity7855]

Do you believe in Jesus? Literal, mythical or allegorical?

Yes, I believe in the literal existence of Jesus Christ and all of the stories the bible tells of Him.

 

[Serenity7855]

Yet it plays ZERO part in science.

That is mythology and it does matter.

Scientifically a soul, afterlife, gods do not exist. Nor a plan of salvation.

It does not exist in science because of the constraints that they put on themselves.

So when you die, where do you think you go? Who do you think you are, I am not being aggressive, who do you actually think you are. What causes you to think logical thoughts and examine the world you live in. What makes you feel love, hatred, or anger. Please do not say your brain as brain tissue is made of matter. Matter does not think and reason. If it did then some of our greatest philosophers would be chairs or rocks. What is it that uses the matter in your head to be who you are?

 

[Parsimony]

If it did then some of our greatest philosophers would be chairs or rocks.

Seriously? Implying that some configurations of matter can think does not imply that all configurations of matter can think.

 

[outhouse]

It does not exist in science because of the constraints that they put on themselves.

No, because it does not reflect reality.

There is no evidence beyond imagination and mythology for the concept of god you seem to not know much about.

Why do you ignore how your god was created by ancient Israelites? who factually compiled two gods into one.

 

[Serenity7855]

Seriously? Implying that some configurations of matter can think does not imply that all configurations of matter can think.

You misunderstand me. I do not think that any configuration of matter can think.

 

[samosasauce]

I'm sorry, I may be being completely idiotic, but I'm having a little trouble understanding exactly what you're trying to say. Could you please, possibly, explain what you mean? I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, I'm genuinely trying to understand.

 

[Serenity7855]

No, because it does not reflect reality.

Well, maybe it doesn't in your reality but it does in mine and 2.2 billion other Christians minds.

There is no evidence beyond imagination and mythology for the concept of god you seem to not know much about.

Look at the higgs boson. It required the biggest particle accelerator ever built to find it. But look at its job. To give mass to everything. If that is not evidence of a superior entity designing a universe to you, it sure is to me.

Why do you ignore how your god was created by ancient Israelites? who factually compiled two gods into one.

I am ignoring nothing. You are wrong. History does not determine the divinity of God.

 

[Serenity7855]

I'm sorry, I may be being completely idiotic, but I'm having a little trouble understanding exactly what you're trying to say. Could you please, possibly, explain what you mean? I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, I'm genuinely trying to understand.

Just take a moment and consider where you are in your body. Are you in your head or your bosom. Most people feel as though they are in there bosom and all emotion is felt in the bosom. So where are you. When you are reasoning is it your body doing the reasoning or is it you. Matter does not have what it takes to think. Our brains control our bodies through electro chemical reactions but a thought is not tangible. It has no mass, it is without density, energy, space and time. It is our spirit being. The one that existed before the big bang, being space less, timeless, massless and energy less. It is eternal in nature. If it is possible for brain matter to think and reason then why not a chair or a piece of rock? You are that person you feel inside of the body you have. The body is transient the spirit is not. What you feel and believe in now will rise with you when you leave this world. Look out smokers because the addiction remains but there ain't no cigarettes in the spirit world, at least I shouldn't think so.

It is not a easy phenomenon to envision. It requires an ability to get out of yourself and look at who and what you are. You and your body are two separate things that are joined together at birth and will be separated at death. Take the heart from your body and you will die, take the spirit from your body and you will die. They are inseparable connected until death. Think about it. It is fun, if nothing else, to think am I the sum total of my body or am I inside there somewhere. It also explains much about our relationship to God.

 

[samosasauce]

Just take a moment and consider where you are in your body. Are you in your head or your bosom. Most people feel as though they are in there bosom and all emotion is felt in the bosom. So where are you. When you are reasoning is it your body doing the reasoning or is it you. Matter does not have what it takes to think. Our brains control our bodies through electro chemical reactions but a thought is not tangible. It has no mass, it is without density, energy, space and time. It is our spirit being. The one that existed before the big bang, being space less, timeless, massless and energy less. It is eternal in nature. If it is possible for brain matter to think and reason then why not a chair or a piece of rock? You are that person you feel inside of the body you have. The body is transient the spirit is not. What you feel and believe in now will rise with you when you leave this world. Look out smokers because the addiction remains but there ain't no cigarettes in the spirit world, at least I shouldn't think so.

It is not a easy phenomenon to envision. It requires an ability to get out of yourself and look at who and what you are. You and your body are two separate things that are joined together at birth and will be separated at death. Take the heart from your body and you will die, take the spirit from your body and you will die. They are inseparable connected until death. Think about it. It is fun, if nothing else, to think am I the sum total of my body or am I inside there somewhere. It also explains much about our relationship to God.

That is an incredible concept. I can see exactly what you mean. It makes a lot of sense.

Haha, however, I am one of the few that feels I am in my head, so who knows what that means.

 

[Serenity7855]

That is an incredible concept. I can see exactly what you mean. It makes a lot of sense.

Haha, however, I am one of the few that feels I am in my head, so who knows what that means.

It means that you see yourself as separate from your physical body because you have said that you are in your head. If you thought that you and your physical body were as one, then you would not have selected a particular place where you are.

 

[outhouse]

I am ignoring nothing.

Sure you are, you cannot discuss it and it has already been brought up and posted anmd sourced with credible links.

You are wrong.

If that was the case it would be easy for you to prove, but you never will.

This is history, not imagination or the supernatural, you shoul dhave nop issues proving your point.

History does not determine the divinity of God.

Correct, only man has done that.

 

[samosasauce]

It means that you see yourself as separate from your physical body because you have said that you are in your head. If you thought that you and your physical body were as one, then you would not have selected a particular place where you are.

Interesting idea. I just thought it was because most of my senses are there.

 

[outhouse]

It means that you see yourself as separate from your physical body .

Like to pervert what a conscious mind is much?

Science now see's thouhts in your brain and nows the answer beofre the study subject knows them.

To date there is no seperation of mind from the body or soul.

 

[adi2d]

Just take a moment and consider where you are in your body. Are you in your head or your bosom. Most people feel as though they are in there bosom and all emotion is felt in the bosom. So where are you. When you are reasoning is it your body doing the reasoning or is it you. Matter does not have what it takes to think. Our brains control our bodies through electro chemical reactions but a thought is not tangible. It has no mass, it is without density, energy, space and time. It is our spirit being. The one that existed before the big bang, being space less, timeless, massless and energy less. It is eternal in nature. If it is possible for brain matter to think and reason then why not a chair or a piece of rock? You are that person you feel inside of the body you have. The body is transient the spirit is not. What you feel and believe in now will rise with you when you leave this world. Look out smokers because the addiction remains but there ain't no cigarettes in the spirit world, at least I shouldn't think so.

It is not a easy phenomenon to envision. It requires an ability to get out of yourself and look at who and what you are. You and your body are two separate things that are joined together at birth and will be separated at death. Take the heart from your body and you will die, take the spirit from your body and you will die. They are inseparable connected until death. Think about it. It is fun, if nothing else, to think am I the sum total of my body or am I inside there somewhere. It also explains much about our relationship to God.

We know that the self is not in the heart since 1967. A heart can be removed and a donor heart installed and the person is still the same person. You need to update your lesson plan teach

 

[Ouroboros]

Well, maybe it doesn't in your reality but it does in mine and 2.2 billion other Christians minds.

How do you know those other 2.2 billion Christians agree with you and believe exactly the same as you?

 

[Parsimony]

You misunderstand me. I do not think that any configuration of matter can think.

It was the way you were painting a mind-emerging-from-matter viewpoint that was flawed. You implied that if a mind can arise from matter then chairs should be able to think. That does not follow any more than the fact that computers being made of matter means that chairs should be able to perform computations.

 

[Alceste]

So, how do you know that then? I would be interested in seeing your evidence.


No, there is not. There maybe an infinite amount of possibilities, if infinity were to exist, but there is not an infinite amount of realistic possibilities and infinity does not exist. None of those above are realistic. Hey, but you believe them if you want to. In my opinion it is a disembodied God who created the universe.

In what way do you find that belief "realistic"?

For my evidence, we have had thousands upon thousands of competing origin stories over the course of human history. Some with deities, some without. Which of the stories people accept and share is almost entirely dependent on where they live and what they've been taught. Therefore, religion is like culture or language, which are equally dependent on one's immediate environment. It is not like scientific / empirical / rational enquiry into what is factually true. Rational enquiry delivers more or less the same result regardless of culture or tradition.

 

[Bunyip]

I have always posted the question "could it be a God " I have used the big bang as evidence that it could, in deed, be a God, I have said that there is more then enough proof that a God does exist. I have never said that the big bang, on its own, is sufficient evidence for a god.

As far as insulting anybody who disagrees with me goes, it is a falsehood. You really need to substantiate your accusation. Read the thread and see who threw the first stone. Oh, I have stones to throw, plenty of them, but I try not to throw the first one, as in my experience, atheists almost always consider the throwing of a stone to mean that you are too hostile to put forth an educated argument.

You are breathing words into my mouth, yet again. I have not been dishonest. I have back tracked once on the grounds that I did not consider a particular fact which made my argument wrong. I was not being nasty about atheists, it is a general perception that atheists are argumentative and intimidating resulting in brainwashing. Look at the William Lane Craig v Lawrence Krauss. [youtube]V82uGzgoajI[/youtube]
Life, the Universe and Nothing: Why is there something rather than nothing? - YouTube

I have seen that 'debate'. Krauss tore Craig to peices - Craig is a philosopher, pretending to a real physicist that his lame philosophical word game was somehow actually scientific. It was almost painful to see Craig make such an utter fool of himself.

Ancient philosophical word games are not the same thing as science.