You probably are referring to critical thinkers, who become agnostic atheists if they take reason and empiricism to its logical conclusion. The way you and they think is different. They can't both be valid reasoning. They bring academic values to the table, and you don't. Your standards and requirements for belief are not theirs, and your "reasoning" fallacious.Many atheists are just so indoctrinated that they cann't reason like to have a normal dialog with others about religious topics ... They are pre-programmed to repeat the same atheists dogmas again and again and again ... Finding an atheist willing to have a rational dialogue on religious matters is like meeting a monotheistic Hindu.
Indoctrination is how religion is taught, not critical thought. Indoctrination is teaching through repetition, not evidenced argument. Since teachers of unfalsifiable religious doctrines can't produce the latter, they can only tell you what to believe over and over. That's indoctrination. "Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so."
Another important distinction between religious indoctrination and education using evidenced argument is that the indoctrinator cares what you believe, and isn't happy until you relent. He'll often have an emotion reaction to somebody resisting accepting the repeated doctrine. In contrast, your educator only tests for what you know. An evolutionist in Sunday school will get a hard time, but a creationist in a university evolution class can get an A for learning it and never be asked whether he believes it.
What you're really complaining about is your inability to meet the critical thinker's criteria for belief. He won't relax his method of evaluating evidence, and you see that as unreasonable - poor reasoning. He sees you the same way - unreasonable.
It means that their thinking wasn't independent.Yes both Mark and Paul where influenced by the same people, (first generation Christians) but this is a good thing.
What is an independent document?the documents are still independent even if they are influenced by the same people
It appears likely that life arises wherever the conditions for its possibility exist the way pure water at atmospheric pressure boils at 100c every time those conditions exist.life doesn’t come from non life naturally, in the same was water doesn’t become ICE at 100c degrees.
Abiogenesis doesn't meet my definition of magic, which requires the suspension of physical law.we know that abiogenesis occurred at least once..............so there is your evidence for magic, according to your criteria.
Disagree. The ideas I accept as likely historical all regard events that we know can happen, the only question being whether they did.the evidnece for the resurection is as strogn as the evidnece for any other historical claim that you would accept as fact.
Are you suggesting that this establishes that a resurrection occurred? If so, I disagree. Resurrecting a three-days dead corpse may well be impossible. If so, no words in any book change that. And even if it were possible, no words establish that it happened in that time and place to that person. This is where we part ways philosophically.Give me an example of an event in the gospels that meets these 3 points:
1 Is also reported by Paul
2 that is not accepted as a historical fact by most non-Christian scholars (including atheists)
3 That doesn’t have theological implications that atheist don’t like
You will not find a single example. This confirms that events that are reported by Paul and at least 1 Gospel are taken as historical truths even by atheist scholar. This shows that the combination of Paul + 1 Gospel is good enough to establish a historical truth.