"there is no one totally evil in the world

[zenzero]

Friend no-body,

"there is no one totally evil in the world
and if there is we are responsible for creating them"
Agree or disagree with this? Thoughts?

Yes there is no totally good too!
Good / evil are view points or mind perceptions.
Consciousness is that which is neither good or evil and IS there only when the MIND stills and no perceptions of either good or evil emerges.
Things are as they simply are.
Reaching the point of CONSCIOUSNESS is where all minds move towards either consciously or unconsciously either by revolution or evolution.

Love & rgds

 

[Seeker1]

and if there is we are responsible for creating them"
Agree or disagree with this? Thoughts?

Evil and good constantly battle to acheive dominance. Humans can respond to either without truly being aware of it. Our limited ability to see ourselves (That whole Mote vs Tree in the eye Thing Jesus mentioned in Matthew for example.) can cause us to not truly be aware. There are some references to Hitler in this thread. Let me ask you this: Do you think Hitler saw himself as evil? Some extremely evil people lack the capacity to recognize the evil acts they are commiting, as they are comitting them. Some people are incapable of even recognizing other people as people. Any atrocity they commit is on a thing, not a human being. Luckily, these folks are rare, mainly confining themselves to serial murder or politics. I say evil is an actual power (being?) with an almost infinite ability to make us lie to ourselves.

 

[waitasec]

Hitler was most definitely a product of the world he grew up in. After all, he was well-spoken, and a German patriot. He fought in World War I, and when the Germans lost, that was a pretty big blow for him. But then the treaty of Versailles basically screwed the country over, which would have caused a lot of hatred for the rest of the world, and the subsequent German depression didn't help.

As for Charles Manson, I do believe his problems were almost entirely mental. But if he had such a bad mental illness that he couldn't control himself, then he was just insane, and there's a reason why insanity is a cause for being declared not guilty in court.

it could be argued that being a genius is cause for mental instability...
i know a few smart people who's social and practical common sense skills lack in a big way.

 

[Riverwolf]

it could be argued that being a genius is cause for mental instability...

I don't think so, for the following reason:

i know a few smart people who's social and practical common sense skills lack in a big way.

Doesn't surprise me; smart people tend to be social outcasts as children. I was, so as a teenager, I rejected society myself, and as a result (plus the fact that I have asperger's ^_^) my social skills aren't all that great. So genius itself may not be the cause. (I'm not actually a genius, but as far as IQs go, I almost qualify... and I'm a nerd. ^_^)

So genius itself isn't necessarily the cause, nor would I necessarily consider poor social skills along the same lines as mental instability.

 

[ChristineES]

To the OP: I don't know how to answer this. As a Christian, I believe we all sin. But at the same time, we all have good in us- although most of it is good intentions. I believe that everyone has at least a little good in them- that there is no one 100% evil. But then, people aren't really good or evil- they do good things and they do evil things at various times. And some do more good and more evil. Or what they do at the present seems very good or very evil, despite what is in their hearts.
A pretty vague answer, but that's all I can say right now.

 

[no-body]

charles manson and hitler come right off the bat...
were they a product of society or were they just bad genes?

i guessing bad genes.

Even if it's genetic, mental illness, etc it is still societies fault for not treating it before it got to the point of blowing up.

 

[ChristineES]

Even if it's genetic, mental illness, etc it is still societies fault for not treating it before it got to the point of blowing up.

To be perfectly honest, hindsight is 20/20. It's too easy to say "That guy/girl seemed kind of odd/crazed/manic, I should have known he'd blow away a bunch of people" after the fact. And if you do know that someone is mentally ill, what exactly can we do about it? We can suggest treatment, but, ultimately, it is up to the person to get help. We can't make other people do what we think they should do, if they are adults. It is a sad fact of life.

 

[no-body]

To be perfectly honest, hindsight is 20/20. It's too easy to say "That guy/girl seemed kind of odd/crazed/manic, I should have known he'd blow away a bunch of people" after the fact. And if you do know that someone is mentally ill, what exactly can we do about it? We can suggest treatment, but, ultimately, it is up to the person to get help. We can't make other people do what we think they should do, if they are adults. It is a sad fact of life.

This is a bit off topic to my OP but I think signs of a problem are apparent from child hood, and there will be many many signs before someone really blows up. Mental illness in most places--especially America-- is treated as a joke. A lot of people don't even think it exists, that it's just an excuse to do what you want. I think such attitudes make a self fulfilling prophecy. Society is what needs treatment not people.

 

[waitasec]

Even if it's genetic, mental illness, etc it is still societies fault for not treating it before it got to the point of blowing up.

that depends. manifest destiny, slavery, segregation comes to mind...
to having no choice but to shop at walmart in some cases (indirectly supporting sweat shops)
evil is in the eye of the beholder.



we're all a little crazy...:areyoucra

 

[Yeshe Dawa]

and if there is we are responsible for creating them"

Agree or disagree with this? Thoughts?

Hi no-body!

I don't think there is anyone totally evil, but I think that we are responsible for helping other people. People can make choices, but they are also dependent arisings, so we help shape the people around us.

Yeshe
:flower2:

 

[tarekabdo12]

I agree that purity is very little but there are persons who are mainly in a certain side.