McBell
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Nope.
Not even close.
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There is not enough erosion between the rock layers years for very many years to have passed between them.
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Not even close.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Single floods don't deposit multiple layers consistent with hundreds of thousands of years of winter / summer cycles.
It's that simple.
I'm so sorry you seem unable to comprehend simple things.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Mount Saints Helens produced many layers and that was very small in comparison to the worldwide flood.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
1. that's a volcano spewing lava and ashes, not water
2. no, it didn't deposit anything remotely consistent with hundreds of thousands of years worth of winter/summer cycles
If you think single floods are capable of depositing geological layers consistent with hundreds of thousands of independent winter/summer cycles, then that should be fairly easy to demonstrate with an experiment in controlled conditions.
Go for it and publish a proper report where you detail how the experiment was set up exactly, how that's representative of the real world and what the results are so that others may review it, repeat the experiment and double check the results.
You're not goint to, are you?
I'ld ask you to point me to a paper where such is already described, but I know that no such papers exist because since nobody has succesfully demonstrated such a thing because physics doesn't work that way.
(here's the part where you invoke magic as to why we can't reproduce this magical geological process)
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Part of its ice pack melted and there was a lot of water which mixed with other things. The world wide flood had lots more.1. that's a volcano spewing lava and ashes, not water
2. no, it didn't deposit anything remotely consistent with hundreds of thousands of years worth of winter/summer cycles
If you think single floods are capable of depositing geological layers consistent with hundreds of thousands of independent winter/summer cycles, then that should be fairly easy to demonstrate with an experiment in controlled conditions.
Go for it and publish a proper report where you detail how the experiment was set up exactly, how that's representative of the real world and what the results are so that others may review it, repeat the experiment and double check the results.
You're not goint to, are you?
I'ld ask you to point me to a paper where such is already described, but I know that no such papers exist because since nobody has succesfully demonstrated such a thing because physics doesn't work that way.
(here's the part where you invoke magic as to why we can't reproduce this magical geological process)
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Completely irrelevant reply to the post you are responding to.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You have only claimed this. You have not demonstrated this. From what I have seen from creationist pictures is that there were two layers at the most.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
It is a fact and there are online photos to prove it.
Oh wow!
There are people on the internet who say that it's a fact therefore it must be a fact!
Checkmate rationalists, how you going to come back from that!?!?!
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Really? Where? Put up or shut up.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
This one has one
Lessons from Mount St Helens
How the Mount St Helens eruption caused a radical rethink of previously long-held, long-age views of the world.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Okay, yup. Multiple layers. But searching I found that this is nothing new. The existence of such layering was known long before the Mt. St. Helens blast . Creationists do not find anything new there. Here is one thing that you should understand, particles fall much faster through air than through water. So coarse sorting can occur in a very short time. Particle also fall out of the air far more quickly than they do out of water.This one has one
Lessons from Mount St Helens
How the Mount St Helens eruption caused a radical rethink of previously long-held, long-age views of the world.creation.com
In other words, Coarsely sorted sediments from the air do not help you when it comes to extremely well supported sediments in the water.
By Andrew Shiva / Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 4.0, File:Brown Bluff-2016-Tabarin Peninsula–Volcanic tephra.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
Not Mt. St. Helens.
As to the so called "Little Grand Canyon". Not even close. Horseshoe Bend in the Grand Canyon is an example of an embedded or incised meander. There is nothing like it from Mt. St. Helens. They try to limit the pictures of the North Fork of the Toutle River because this does not look like the Grand Canyon at all:
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Sorry but uniformitarianism is a joke. No this proves that the rock layers are from the flood.Okay, yup. Multiple layers. But searching I found that this is nothing new. The existence of such layering was known long before the Mt. St. Helens blast . Creationists do not find anything new there. Here is one thing that you should understand, particles fall much faster through air than through water. So coarse sorting can occur in a very short time. Particle also fall out of the air far more quickly than they do out of water.
In other words, Coarsely sorted sediments from the air do not help you when it comes to extremely well supported sediments in the water.
By Andrew Shiva / Wikipedia, CC BY-SA 4.0, File:Brown Bluff-2016-Tabarin Peninsula–Volcanic tephra.jpg - Wikimedia Commons
Not Mt. St. Helens.
As to the so called "Little Grand Canyon". Not even close. Horseshoe Bend in the Grand Canyon is an example of an embedded or incised meander. There is nothing like it from Mt. St. Helens. They try to limit the pictures of the North Fork of the Toutle River because this does not look like the Grand Canyon at all:
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How do you explain the lamprey which has not evolved for supposedly 350 million years?
during that time there was supposedly 2 great extinction events at 252 million and 66 million years ago. Those events were so drastic that even the ocean depths were affected. Also there was supposedly a large cooling of the oceans about 34 million years ago. With all the competition with other species, supposedly changing drastically, and during the fight for survival in these above events, why didn’t the lamprey evolve? This refutes evolution and billions of years also.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
How does it do that? You need more than just handwaving. I can tell you why that does not support a flood, but I asked my question first. And meanwhile you still cannot come even close to explaining this:
Another improperly asked question. Try again.
McBell
Unbound
It did not need to adapt in order to survive.
If you knew anything about how the real evolution works and not the strawmen crap you claim is evolution, you would not have needed to present this above embarrassment
Nope
Not even close
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I love the total denial of the fact. Evolution causes vast changes in very short times but none in vast eons. What a delusion. You have been had.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
And yet you are the one that has no evidence for your beliefs.
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
I have provided many irrefutable proofs already /
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
No, you never have. You have even admitted that you failed by running away when specifics of your failures were explained to you. When you run away on your own thread you are admitting that you are wrong.
McBell
Unbound
nope
Not even close