There probably is a god and we are all saved

[Heneni]

Will there still be televangelists and door-to-door missionaries?

Nope the small print says 'no weapons of mass destruction allowed past the customs of the pearly gates'

WOOO were are REALLY SAVED NOW.

Heneni

 

[Wandered Off]

Nope the small print says 'no weapons of mass destruction allowed past the customs of the pearly gates'

So if we're all saved, why is Heaven a gated community?

 

[Heneni]

So if we're all saved, why is Heaven a gated community?

Because we go out with a bang...not go in to be banged?

Besides TV evangelists are not real. :angel2:

No but on a more serious note. And it was actually suppose to be a little more serious than it has turned out to be here...for people who cannot believe in a god that will send millions into eternal hell fire, i want to ask the question.... If you were sure, absolutely sure, that you ARE saved dispite what christians say, (Well some) then how does that effect who you are from this day on?

I understand that the offense taken by people, is the offense of eternal hell suffering. But my question is. BELIEVE that you ARE saved for just a minute or two or three, and ask yourself..how will it change your life, if at all.

(Love you brother Wandered off, my brother by another mother.)

Heneni

 

[Beaudreaux]

:sarcastic. My god doesnt poop. Shall we take this outside?

Heneni

Well, if I was made in his image, he HAS to commit some pretty serious holy *edit*. Sometimes my kids can't even go in to brush their teeth in the morning for fear of passing out.

 

[fantome profane]

No but on a more serious note. And it was actually suppose to be a little more serious than it has turned out to be here...for people who cannot believe in a god that will send millions into eternal hell fire, i want to ask the question.... If you were sure, absolutely sure, that you ARE saved dispite what christians say, (Well some) then how does that effect who you are from this day on?

I understand that the offense taken by people, is the offense of eternal hell suffering. But my question is. BELIEVE that you ARE saved for just a minute or two or three, and ask yourself..how will it change your life, if at all.

Ok, to answer the question seriously I don’t think it would affect my actions in any way. I don’t see why it would. Even if “God” does not hold me accountable for my actions I would still hold me accountable for my actions, and others hold me accountable for my actions. I live in this world, not in some hypothetical world to come.

And speaking as one of those people who cannot believe in a “God” would send millions of people into eternal hellfire I want to tell you that I also cannot believe in a “God” that would send everyone to eternal “disneyland”. (sorry, but it really is very difficult to take such an idea seriously)

I am curious, is this just a hypothetical question for you, or have you actually come to believe in universal salvation yourself?

 

[blackout]

Because we go out with a bang...not go in to be banged?

Besides TV evangelists are not real. :angel2:

No but on a more serious note. And it was actually suppose to be a little more serious than it has turned out to be here...for people who cannot believe in a god that will send millions into eternal hell fire, i want to ask the question.... If you were sure, absolutely sure, that you ARE saved dispite what christians say, (Well some) then how does that effect who you are from this day on?

I understand that the offense taken by people, is the offense of eternal hell suffering. But my question is. BELIEVE that you ARE saved for just a minute or two or three, and ask yourself..how will it change your life, if at all.

(Love you brother Wandered off, my brother by another mother.)

Heneni

But what do you MEAN Heneni?

Saved as opposed to deleted?

Saved FROM what?

Saved FOR what?

 

[Heneni]

But what do you MEAN Heneni?

Saved as opposed to deleted?

Saved FROM what?

Saved FOR what?

Saved from TV evangelists. :thud:

If you dont know what you have been saved from does that change the fact that you are saved? Some understand the mechanism and some dont. Do people have to understand what jesus did for his salvation to be effective? I believe that whoever was saved was saved that day on the cross. You dont get saved when you say the sinners prayer. Cause i dont believe that a spirit is regenerated by a few words.

This salvation thing has brought more division in the worlds religions than any other thing i know. I usually am so sure about things i believe in but this one has lately become and issue for me. I DONT KNOW.

I guess it all started when i read an article about the purpose of the lake of fire, which is corrective in nature. And then...im thinking well i need correction, and then im thinking im going there. And then im thinking MOST people are going there. Nevermind universal salvation. Hello lake of fire, which is not forever but is corrective. And when i ask the question, how will you change your life if you knew you were saved, i realised that few people will, even me, how have I changed my life knowing that im saved, i have changed a lot, but have i changed enough?

What if most people ARE going to the lake of fire. MOST of the world, even the christians, are hostile to god and to each other in some form or fashion, and the thing is..the commandment of god is to love him and our neighbour and frankly I have to admit that I have probably failed in both.

Is this a momentary tantrum with god, or a momentary lack of self-control with my neighbour, that can be corrected and we move on? Or is that 'thing' called self-preservation too enrooted in me, to get it out of me and it needs to be burned out?

God saved noah and his family the last time he destroyed this planet. And most went under the water. How many are in the boat this time? If the fire is corrective then that is somehow OK. But im just frustrated because somehow im rather sick of correction and just want to be home.

I always need to understand. Understand what is happening to me, and understand what god is doing in the world.And right now i dont understand, because i find christians, that name that i also have, disgrace me. I disgrace myself. And frankly...id much rather be lumped in with the atheists and non-believers than with the hypocrites of christianity, of which no doubt i have often been part of. But I think...god there are so many people! And the religious farts think they are better than everybody else, and i hate them, but i may not hate. But i want to in this case.

So when i turn to some of my brothers and sisters in christ....i find they are self-righteous and when i turn to some of my brothers and sisters in atheism...i find them mocking my god. And where the hell exactly am i suppose to go. UP. And where is UP? Home. And im left thinking HOW LONG LORD HOW LONG? And im sure that if i wait around even longer somebody will explain to me, that im a fool for wanting to escape. I dont think i want to escape...i just want to go HOME! Is there ANYBODY that can understand that i have a home. Which is not from here. I cannot explain that even if i tried. Why do i breathe? It just happens, its natural, you dont think about it? Why do i think im going to heaven? I dont know...its natural, its my home.

So lake of fire or heaven or hell, or earth or breathing or hypocrites or athesitst or anything like that....i dont care. Like ET im just pointing at the sky and saying 'home'. So when i read the article about the lake of fire and what it is for, i thought god, i need correction, but i really really need you more.

PS: (I'm having a bad faith day - please be patient)

 

[Heneni]

And what about Red Bull Cola? Its all natural, that has to count for something... (Though it tastes like crap.......)

Red bull does give you wings...something that might come in handy in heaven.

MMMmmmmMMmmmmm.....:beach:
(orange juice is good too)
Nature Religion?

:cover:

Exactly! You shall know them by their FRUIT.

But so long as we're all "saved" as Heneni said. :cover:

Hey Hen! What happens when they "discontinue" your pop?


Don't worry honey.
You can come visit me and I'll share my spirits with you. :rainbow1:

Keep it real girl, keep it real. If there is no alcohol in heaven, some may very well abdicate. I guess allowances will have to be made.

 

[blackout]

....................

So when i turn to some of my brothers and sisters in christ....i find they are self-righteous and when i turn to some of my brothers and sisters in atheism...i find them mocking my god. And where the hell exactly am i suppose to go. UP. And where is UP? Home. And im left thinking HOW LONG LORD HOW LONG? And im sure that if i wait around even longer somebody will explain to me, that im a fool for wanting to escape. I dont think i want to escape...i just want to go HOME! Is there ANYBODY that can understand that i have a home. Which is not from here. I cannot explain that even if i tried. Why do i breathe? It just happens, its natural, you dont think about it? Why do i think im going to heaven? I dont know...its natural, its my home.

So lake of fire or heaven or hell, or earth or breathing or hypocrites or athesitst or anything like that....i dont care. Like ET im just pointing at the sky and saying 'home'. So when i read the article about the lake of fire and what it is for, i thought god, i need correction, but i really really need you more.

PS: (I'm having a bad faith day - please be patient)

Jesus never said the Kingdom was *up* sweetheart.
He said it was within. :rainbow1:

Feel better. :hug:

 

[Heneni]

Jesus never said the Kingdom was *up* sweetheart.
He said it was within. :rainbow1:

Feel better. :hug:

Thanks...i have a huge cup of coffee here. I'm consuming it and the kingdom within is pleased with it.:hug:

Boy did i need a hug!

Heneni

 

[blackout]

*sits down to have some coffee with you* :coffee2:
*cream and Kahaluh?*

I *lost* my 12 year old niece the other week.
Very suddenly one morning without warning,
She was gone from us.

Is she "saved"? .... her person. Does it now exist somewhere else?

I stopped using the term 'heaven' a while back,
because it has too many connotations attatched.

So it was a very hard thing for me to find any actual words,
with which to discuss Rosie's death with my own children,
and I was very silent for a bit due to a sheer lack of terms.

We sat in the back of the church.
Did not participate.
And I could just find no words.

Then a couple days after the funeral,
I saw "re-manifesting eternal" on one of my LHP friends messenger notes.
And I thought YES! ,
Manifesting Eternal!

So I told my children
that this is how I see it.
We are ever and always,
and always have been,
part of the One Allness... I call gOd.
(every thing that exists) *uses arms to show everything*
Eternity is ever and always around and within us,
no matter what our current form (manifestation).

And as well, we are always Manifesting our personal Reality
in the Realm OF the Eternal.
(which some call the kingdom of gOd)
Which is the Majik realm of the NOW moment.
(even though we may "believe" our Self in/to some other illusory realm)
As this is the Self Creative (and illusory) nature of Eternity's realm anyway.

(the kingdom comes without perception.
the kingdom of god is in the midst of you.
midst=in and around)

I still adore the kingdom teachings.
They are what freed me in the first place.


And as for the lake of fire.

I refine mySelf in the lake of Void.
It feels WONDERFUL.
Perhaps you should try it?!

 

[DarkSun]

Will there still be televangelists and door-to-door missionaries?

No. Because they turn more people away from the religion than they bring into it, from what I've heard. To get into heaven they have to repent for all of the late-risers they have disturbed while on Earth. Only then can they bathe in the Coka Cola lake of joy.