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These Students will change US gun landscape

ImmortalFlame

Woke gremlin
All that rant....,.,.,..
To show me beyond any doubt in my mind that your home had little or no common sense security in place.

You didn't need a gun, imo. You just needed to have spent some money out on your home, rather than on your guns.

And that is why you couldn't, or wouldn't... simply explain how the intruders entered your home. :shrug:
Are you actually blaming the victim for their home being invaded right now?
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
I am glad we agree. So, now the question is whether gun ownership is reasonable; and, if we should regulate gun ownership, at what level ought gun ownership be regulated?
Gun ownership is already regulated, and the ownership of certain guns is already prohibited.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
Are you actually blaming the victim for their home being invaded right now?
This knee jerk "Arghhh! Victim blaming!" response any time anyone makes common sense observations really isn't helpful. It is possible to be compassionately concerned for someone's misfortunes while learning from their object lesson; "I'm terribly sorry about the loss of your arm, and I'll happily help you in your rehabilitation and lifestyle adjustments... but maybe swimming in the crocodile tank isn't a great idea in future, huh?"
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
Putting words in people's mouths now? I thought you were all about genuine discussion?
It was only to point out that your response was irrelevant to the questions I posed. Stating we do x, does nothing to answer what we ought do.

But relax, I am pretty sure I have a firm grasp on your actual opinions.
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
It was only to point out that your response was irrelevant to the questions I posed. Stating we do x, does nothing to answer what we ought do.

But relax, I am pretty sure I have a firm grasp on your actual opinions.
So, now the question is whether gun ownership is reasonable; and, if we should regulate gun ownership
"We already regulate guns" seems pretty relevant to me.
 

Audie

Veteran Member

HI OB.

Dont call what I have to say a rant, ok? Not fair. You earned everything I said.

Possibly it would be better to talk with your wife, I have a kind of
reflexive hostility toward men, whether they earn it or not. You earned
some, but I will take you word, you are not a badguy. Or no, it was
"not nasty". Just unpleasant? Blaming me for what happened to me
was hardly nice, fair, or reasonable. It would not hurt you to acknowledge that.

I did not go by myself, but my boyfriend went to town and I didnt want to go.
It was one intruder, not a swarm. One was plenty. Whether he came to "get me" or I just turned out to be what he got, I dont know. He stole a few things
when he was done with me.

Not sure why you are talking about "assault rifles". I've no interest in
those. Just thought if I had had some sort of gun, I'd have had a chance.
There was an old shotgun in the cabin, but I didnt know that.

True about security. I think where I live now is very secure. You have to get past the security desk, a key card for the elevator and for the particular floor.

Hey, I dont want to be enemies or have unpleasant exchanges.

I didnt like how you addressed me, and I in turn have a short fuse,
or get excitable.

Friendly emoji -?
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Are you actually blaming the victim for their home being invaded right now?

That is exactly how I took it, and it would be a good idea for him to either explain how he did not mean that, or, freakin' apologize!!

Blame-the-victim is pretty low down.
 

Bob the Unbeliever

Well-Known Member
So much to say for safety. They still lead the pack in causing death.

Insurance is a good idea though.

Actually, I'm not so sure that cars do lead the pack as you say-- up until very recently? The NRA had successfully lobbied to prevent gun related death research...

But I agree-- required liability insurance for firearms, unless they are rendered inoperable, is an excellent plan.

We have all the safety stuff on cars, *because* of insurance, after all.

(and I, as a matter of policy, hate insurance companies... )
 

Audie

Veteran Member
This knee jerk "Arghhh! Victim blaming!" response any time anyone makes common sense observations really isn't helpful. It is possible to be compassionately concerned for someone's misfortunes while learning from their object lesson; "I'm terribly sorry about the loss of your arm, and I'll happily help you in your rehabilitation and lifestyle adjustments... but maybe swimming in the crocodile tank isn't a great idea in future, huh?"

But then, blaming the victim goes on all the time, and that was an example.

His "common sense" was 100% not applicable, he just chose to assume
it was.

There is not a one of us who has not in one way or another put themselves at risk, including you.
Sometimes you dont recognize the risk.
Sometimes it is a one in a million.
Sometimes you just dont get lucky.
 

Audie

Veteran Member
Actually, I'm not so sure that cars do lead the pack as you say-- up until very recently? The NRA had successfully lobbied to prevent gun related death research...

But I agree-- required liability insurance for firearms, unless they are rendered inoperable, is an excellent plan.

We have all the safety stuff on cars, *because* of insurance, after all.

(and I, as a matter of policy, hate insurance companies... )

Better get the same insurance for iphones, dont you think?
You always see kids crossing thee street, totally absorbed in their
ipones, not looking. (pedestrian fatallities are way up..)

Then too, 11 teenagers a day die from text-and-drive.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
HI OB.

Dont call what I have to say a rant, ok? Not fair. You earned everything I said.

Possibly it would be better to talk with your wife, I have a kind of
reflexive hostility toward men, whether they earn it or not. You earned
some, but I will take you word, you are not a badguy. Or no, it was
"not nasty". Just unpleasant? Blaming me for what happened to me
was hardly nice, fair, or reasonable. It would not hurt you to acknowledge that.

I did not go by myself, but my boyfriend went to town and I didnt want to go.
It was one intruder, not a swarm. One was plenty. Whether he came to "get me" or I just turned out to be what he got, I dont know. He stole a few things
when he was done with me.

Not sure why you are talking about "assault rifles". I've no interest in
those. Just thought if I had had some sort of gun, I'd have had a chance.
There was an old shotgun in the cabin, but I didnt know that.

True about security. I think where I live now is very secure. You have to get past the security desk, a key card for the elevator and for the particular floor.

Hey, I dont want to be enemies or have unpleasant exchanges.

I didnt like how you addressed me, and I in turn have a short fuse,
or get excitable.

Friendly emoji -?

That's cool....... No probs.
I don't think that the school-student's demonstrations are about hunting, shotguns, hunting rifles or even basic pistols/revolvers.

They're against the rubbish security at their schools and the fast-fire semi-automatic assault rifles which have featured so often in these attacks. And I don't think that they want their teachers to have to carry the burden of responsibility by having to go armed in the classrooms.

As far as home security goes, it's not a bad idea to review it and make progress with it every now and then. Insurance really doesn't help a person who comes home to find their place turned over........ that's it for many people, they just want to change homes, and the cost of land-agents, solicitors, moving companies blah blah isn't claimable in most cases, nor the lifelong memories of a trashed home.

I could tell when men and women had had enough. If women threw all their clothes out then they were going to leave. With men it could sometimes be different. Men try not to show emotions that they feel as strongly as women so they make excuses for selling a loved previously stolen vehicle, or leaving a burgled home.

Your Boyfriend can (if he hasn't already) go round your place, looking for possible access points. Once discovered you both have to decide how best to get rid of that problem. There are hundreds of things you can do, and some are very inexpensive. And you don't have to live in an inverted prison, because modern locking systems are so quick and easy to use.

It can be very funny watching reality telly when police try to raid a property with even modest replacement windows and doors, as they beat at hinges and locks with special ram-devices and fail, again and again to get entry.

Anyway, see what he thinks...... :)
 

Audie

Veteran Member
That's cool....... No probs.
I don't think that the school-student's demonstrations are about hunting, shotguns, hunting rifles or even basic pistols/revolvers.

They're against the rubbish security at their schools and the fast-fire semi-automatic assault rifles which have featured so often in these attacks. And I don't think that they want their teachers to have to carry the burden of responsibility by having to go armed in the classrooms.

As far as home security goes, it's not a bad idea to review it and make progress with it every now and then. Insurance really doesn't help a person who comes home to find their place turned over........ that's it for many people, they just want to change homes, and the cost of land-agents, solicitors, moving companies blah blah isn't claimable in most cases, nor the lifelong memories of a trashed home.

I could tell when men and women had had enough. If women threw all their clothes out then they were going to leave. With men it could sometimes be different. Men try not to show emotions that they feel as strongly as women so they make excuses for selling a loved previously stolen vehicle, or leaving a burgled home.

Your Boyfriend can (if he hasn't already) go round your place, looking for possible access points. Once discovered you both have to decide how best to get rid of that problem. There are hundreds of things you can do, and some are very inexpensive. And you don't have to live in an inverted prison, because modern locking systems are so quick and easy to use.

It can be very funny watching reality telly when police try to raid a property with even modest replacement windows and doors, as they beat at hinges and locks with special ram-devices and fail, again and again to get entry.

Anyway, see what he thinks...... :)

I suppose a few of the students have some idea of what they are about.
I would bet $1.69 or more that most are just along to express their emotions
with no clue of the issues involved.

"Gun info", I get from my boyfriend, I dont know anything about them.

He did tho point out that "hunting rifle" has no definition as such, and that
many of them dating back over a hundred years, are semi automatic.
That if all the ARs and Aks and whatever were gone, that there are plenty
more kinds to use.

I dunno, its not my topic. As before, dump them all in the ocean, if it is to please me.

Current flat is as intruder proof as you could ask for. Spider man might be able to reach the window, but it would take a commando raid to get to the front doorl

If women threw all their clothes out then they were going to leave.


I bet. I was going to throw myself out, I stood for a long time on a 17th
floor balcony, but I could not do it.

"See what he thinks"
He is so good to me, very very protective. Thanks for the thoughts.
 
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