"They": Addendum to Jesus on Same Sex Marriage.

[John D. Brey]

The prophecy already happened because of the destruction of the 2nd temple is obvious. There is no prophecy regarding a third.

Epic fail

Pedastry and homosexuality aren't the same thing.

The love of most will grow cold. People will become lovers of self and not lovers to all as self.

John

 

[Fool]

John

Loved it

 

[John D. Brey]

Disgusting.
And good riddance. We'll all be better off when hardly anyone else believes such things, such as how we became far better off when people abandoned the idea the proper place of the negro is servitude.

I assure you, I've not sinned in over 20 years now. I am not a sinner. The only sinners are those who agree to pick up those shackles and burdens and let their religion ensnare them in. To the rest of us it is entirely non-applicable.

It is hypocritical for a Christian to judge anyone. That's something else Jesus told you not to do. But you're doing it.

Sin doesn't exist outside of those who believe in it. Why should the state be concerned about it? If you're so worried about this destruction than go form your own commune away from the rest of us invited this destruction from the heavens (that will never come).

. . . I suspect Noah has rolled over in his grave giggling at the irony that a latter day ark-builder is being treated to the same tongue-lashing he endured for over a hundred years.




John

 

[Shadow Wolf]

. . . I suspect Noah has rolled over in his grave giggling at the irony that a latter day ark-builder is being treated to the same tongue-lashing he endured for over a hundred years.




John

That's another thing I'll be glad to see gone: the martyrdom complex of Christians.

 

[rational experiences]

Bible advice is a science man's brother Agreed confession of Sion.

Science. Fusion into fission.

Science does not exist. It's a Human agreed practice only. No machine exists.

Sun mass from a consuming mass was ejected then saved. Hell froze over is the term humans use.

When it wasn't frozen it had burnt converted earths natural mass. Proven earth was not a Self consuming mass. Law mountain..... volcanic. It's an erection.

Meaning it formed a core within by volcanic. As much as it had erected the stone. Cooling natural of substance plus space.

Sun substance is in a equal space position only consumed it's body said thesis. Dangerous advice.

Status true.

Space itself expanse length stopped the attack.

Man of science restarted the attack. Atmospheric rock gas overheats removes presence.

As he decided to do nuclear. Earths spirit from God earth history was never a sun.

Immaculate. That type of gas sacrificed but saved earth also. As it was very cold.

Saviours. Types.

Asteroid frozen slow moving. Saviour.
Immaculate gas. Saviour.
Ice mass body. Newly born earth saviour.

Taught. Exact.

Wandering stars releasing hot sun particles destroys life on earth.
Machine theists first advice. Satan star itself first mass of his thesis.

By cloud cooling images about metal of a sun mass. Without any machine existing. Was his taught warning.

Either position god rock or sun rock. Is no machine.

Science is a thesis about held fused mass and it's removal by sun nuclear earth thesis.

Not any sun thesis.

As we live beneath the heavens. Not outside in burning heavens void. Where sun rock particle is.

Exact.

So now human men no longer are conscious so the warning says when he does not recognise own genitalia .... acts like women.

Women in his science thesis evil. It's by his mind status actual.

Proven conscious rational psyche balance of his man self spirit consciousness is gone.

Theists as men mind gone now directly lie about natural history as a sign.

It's men Satanists who claim anal sex gave me the power of Satan. Exact term. Taught circumstance of mind.

Yet most men like our mother mind are innocent. So it's only particular men who directly believe in Satanism science their self.

Brother says O a theme as conscious human. What was before me. Mother's woman cell ovary is before him in reality bio advice. What his man self never owns.

This advice is spoken told in conjunction with his theorising. Why he won't listen. Bio life is not a resource theory.

He changes in the ovary back into a man. O is not a maths machine theism.

His first advised warning. Youre not a woman a mother. You live equal with your human sister.

Another warning sign. When men don't treat women as a natural life species by two equal.

Ignored as a conscious human thinking naturally is first always.

All ideas about sun falsely delivered to earth by a frozen sun mass. Asteroid. From big bang blast. Was his idea. All fake.

The warning when men no longer think knowing man's genitalia self.

 

[F1fan]

We're all sinners.

I think this belief and claim is a huge problem for Christians. Sin is a Christian concept and to believe sin is true and relevant there are a large set of other Christians assumptions that have to be made. Me as an atheist reject Christian assumptions, and this means I am no sinner. We atheists certain cause Christians headaches. The religion has a lot of ideas that supposedly are true and supposedly apply to all humans. But these aren't facts, there are religious concepts limited to Christians. That gays exist is something Christians have to deal with themselves, and in their own minds IF they are Christians with this particular prejudice. Many Christians accept homosexuality, and the prejudice of gays that exists on the minds of some is a moral question, and one irrelevant to the freedoms enjoyed by gays in modern societies.

So the question is why some Christians assume an authority over non-Christians, and why prejudiced Christians believe their views have relevant to gay people enjoying freedom from secular government.

So it would be hypocritical to judge homosexuals as sinners. Evil is different than sin. An "abomination" is generally something like evil that transcends sin. Homosexuality isn't itself evil. But it manifests a strain of evil it is not.

Boy you were really trying to be humble and loving there at first, but you couldn't help but accuse gays of evil at the end.

That smacks of sin.

 

[rational experiences]

I think this belief and claim is a huge problem for Christians. Sin is a Christian concept and to believe sin is true and relevant there are a large set of other Christians assumptions that have to be made. Me as an atheist reject Christian assumptions, and this means I am no sinner. We atheists certain cause Christians headaches. The religion has a lot of ideas that supposedly are true and supposedly apply to all humans. But these aren't facts, there are religious concepts limited to Christians. That gays exist is something Christians have to deal with themselves, and in their own minds IF they are Christians with this particular prejudice. Many Christians accept homosexuality, and the prejudice of gays that exists on the minds of some is a moral question, and one irrelevant to the freedoms enjoyed by gays in modern societies.

So the question is why some Christians assume an authority over non-Christians, and why prejudiced Christians believe their views have relevant to gay people enjoying freedom from secular government.


Boy you were really trying to be humble and loving there at first, but you couldn't help but accuse gays of evil at the end.

That smacks of sin.

BS.

Sin is a Man's caused hole in the ground a sin X k constant gaining the hole.

Entombed spirit of the first God gone disappears destroyed by men.

Science of man used apply the reaction to mass removal.

Proving your thoughts are evil yourself theist.

Mass removal new everytime you react destroy eventually to mass equals a hole as equals equals.

You did it yourself liar of a scientist man.

As no one told you that you were permitted to change cosmic law. Holding of mass.

Thinking. I apply a calculation about mass.

Mass isn't my numbers.

I minus mass.

So I constant cause an effect the gain of a hole by my maths.

Maths he says equals the hole.

I knew. I said maths equals a Hole. I knew my maths created a hole. Knew. It's my mind of man taught aware realisation.

Biology just heavenly attacked mutated in its cells.

Isn't anything to do with any hole.

Then sex by parents causes mutated baby.

Homosexual man part of changed mind not owner life continuance not having sex with women.

You believe life will go on by a man's body as O ovary converted.

Yet changed sex act informs by inheritance false feedback advice.

MAN invented science terms.

You lie about life going to continue.

 

[John D. Brey]

That's another thing I'll be glad to see gone: the martyrdom complex of Christians.

The antediluvian, who couldn't stand Noah and his stupid boat and would be glad to see them gone got their wish in an ironic manner. I suspect the same thing is at work here.



John

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The antediluvian, who couldn't stand Noah and his stupid boat and would be glad to see them gone got their wish in an ironic manner. I suspect the same thing is at work here.



John

It's not, because Christianity didn't exist then and today it is in a downward spiral.

 

[John D. Brey]

I think this belief and claim is a huge problem for Christians. Sin is a Christian concept and to believe sin is true and relevant there are a large set of other Christians assumptions that have to be made.

Absolutely. We discussed some of this in the thread on the reptile brain (not sure if you participated). I quoted Richard Dawkins and his new BFF Jeff Hawkins. They both separated the thinking associated with the "reptile brain" (the early human brain) with the kind of thought that their other buddy, Daniel Dennett, said came online only in the last few thousand years seemingly in conjunction with theretofore unused parts of the higher brain, the cerebral cortex.

It is the glory of the human cerebral cortex that it -----unique among all animals and unprecedented in all geological time ---has the power to defy the dictates of the selfish genes. We can enjoy sex without procreation. We can devote our lives to philosophy, mathematics, poetry, astrophysics, music, geology, or the warmth of human love, in defiance of the old [reptile] brain's genetic urging that these are a waste of time ---time that "should" be spent fighting rivals and pursuing multiple sexual partners: "As I see it, we have a profound choice to make. It is a choice between favoring the old brain or favoring the new brain. More specifically, do we want our future to be driven by the processes that got us here, namely, natural selection, competition, and the drive of the selfish genes? Or, do we want our future to be driven by intelligence and its desire to understand the world?"

Richard Dawkins, introducing Jeff Hawkins, One Thousand Brains: A New Theory of Intelligence (bracket mine, based on earlier comment in intro. Last quotation is Dawkins quoting Hawkins).​

There's a giant, a huge really, gaping problem with Dawkins, Hawkins, and Dennett's newfound understanding of the new brain since the old brain (which they call the "reptile brain") was, get this, 100% atheist. All atheists are still encased, ensconced, encapsulated, circumscribed within, the old, mammalian, reptile, simpleton, brain. ------Morality, self-consciousness, complex grammar, and God-consciousness, all came online simultaneously with the advent of the human language that another atheist, Chomsky, said couldn't have evolved in the reptile brain since it's irreducibly complex and utterly unique to creatures possessing the new brain. There's nothing like complex human-style grammar anywhere else in all of creation.

Do see the problem? Atheism is universal in the reptile brain. There's no religion anywhere in the world except where the cerebral cortex has come online, and with it, God-consciousness, and it's adjunct, self-consciousness. The selfish gene is reptilian, a-theistic. Only the human mind, come from human grammar, and the cerebral cortex, intuits the reality of the creator-God, and with that, the individual Self.

One of the first products of the human mind is human language. In fact, I conjecture that it was the very first of these products, and that the human brain and the human mind evolved in interaction with language.

Karl Popper, The Self and Its Brain, p. 11.​

The נפש [self-conscious soul/mind], being of Divine origin as part of His Breath, is part of God’s eternity and thus is not subject to death or transitory existence. As the נפש is a result of the very essence of God it is specifically different from and above all that which is on earth. While the souls of other creatures are concerned only for self-preservation and self-satisfaction, the soul of man is concerned for others. The act of love and selfless dedication to others bears witness to the Divine origin of the soul. . . While the animal carries the measure of הי in its accepting and rejection for itself, human life alone is the free, highest realization of the Divine thought of Creation.

Rabbi Samson R. Hirsch, Collected Writings, vol. 8, p. 52.​

Do you kinda see the problem? Rabbi Hirsch said this something like two-hundred years ago while Dawkins, Hawkins, and Dennett (educated atheists) are only now, in the last decade or two, being forced to concede what Jews and Christians have been teaching, preaching, and evangelizing, for thousands of years:

It is the glory of the human cerebral cortex that it -----unique among all animals and unprecedented in all geological time ---has the power to defy the dictates of the selfish genes. . . We can even discuss ways of deliberately cultivating and nurturing pure, disinterested altruism – something that has no place in nature, something that has never existed before in the whole history of the world.

Richard Dawkins, The Selfish Gene, p. 200.​

No place in nature. Never existed before in the whole history of the world.

Thus I share with the materialists or physicalists not only the emphasis on material objects as the paradigms of reality, but also the evolutionary hypothesis. But our ways seem to part when evolution produces minds, and human language. And they part even more widely when human minds produce stories, explanatory myths, tools and works of art and of science. All this, so it seems, has evolved without any violation of the laws of physics. But with life, even with low forms of life, problem-solving enters the universe; and with the higher form, purposes and aims, consciously pursued. We can only wonder that matter can thus transcend itself, by producing mind, purpose, and a world of the products of the human mind.

Karl Popper, The Self and Its Brain, p. 11.​

Poor spiritual pauper Popper. He was smart enough to realize his atheism was a dinosaur of the reptile brain but had nothing to replace it with since he'd already pawned off his soul for the bells and whistle, the dog whistles really, that call the reptile brain to attention.

Aside from God, there is only one other being that is invisible and imperceptible to the senses, but whose individual reality and personal existence are nevertheless absolutely certain to each one of us. That being is our soul, our נפש. The soul that reflects on itself is capable of grasping the real, personal existence of an invisible, imperceptible Being; aware of itself, it also knows God. Just as we are sure of our own existence, so we are sure of God’s existence.

Rabbi Samson R. Hirsch, The Hirsch Chumash, Deuteronomy 4:15.​

Me as an atheist reject Christian assumptions, and this means I am no sinner. We atheists certain cause Christians headaches. The religion has a lot of ideas that supposedly are true and supposedly apply to all humans. But these aren't facts, there are religious concepts limited to Christians.

According to educated atheists, Dawkins, Hawkings, Dennett, and Popper, atheism is, to theism, as a Neanderthal jumping for joy at using his long dead dad's thighbone to crack a coconut, is to Einstein grinning ear to ear for intuiting that E=MC2. Atheism is a phenomenon of the old, animal, reptilian, brain. Theism is parallel to the self-consciousness come online at the same time as human grammar. The stupid argument that theism is old-fashioned, that theism is part of early man, a relic of olden times, is now known to be as silly and backwards as atheism itself.

How truly sad that all this coming out of the closet for atheists is happening so late in the game; pretty much when it's too late since as Dylan crooned, the slow train is a comin round the bend.

John

 

[John D. Brey]

It's not, because Christianity didn't exist then and today it is in a downward spiral.

You might be too a/biblical to have watched Darren Aronofsky's Noah? In the movie, Noah (Russell Crow) was in quite a downward spiral when the first drops of water started falling. ------Covid, and Ukraine, are at least a gathering mist, if not droplets, of the approaching Apocalypse. . . So yes, I, and my Christianity, are in a downward spiral. But just wait'll you see our golden parachute. It'll make Noah's ark look just plain silly. If Aronofsky is a believer, maybe he can make a feature film of it all once the Kingdom gets going good.



John

 

[Shadow Wolf]

You might be too a/biblical to have watched Darren Aronofsky's Noah? In the movie, Noah (Russell Crow) was in quite a downward spiral when the first drops of water started falling. ------Covid, and Ukraine, are at least a gathering mist, if not droplets, of the approaching Apocalypse. . . So yes, I, and my Christianity, are in a downward spiral. But just wait'll you see our golden parachute. It'll make Noah's ark look just plain silly. If Aronofsky is a believer, maybe he can make a feature film of it all once the Kingdom gets going good.



John

I was raised in the Church and still know the Bible quite well, well enough to know the story of Noah without seeing a Hollywood flick.
An interesting part of that story is though the Law had not yet been delivered Jehovah gave instructions to Noah mentioning clean and unclean animals.

 

[Clara Tea]

In the original thread, edited into an essay [link], exegesis showed that Jesus clued his listeners in to whom he was referring to as signifying the arrival of the end-times by noting the people just prior to the flood (the antediluvian), and the people just before Sodom and Gomorrah was flooded with fire and brimstone. Jesus is drawing an undeniable parallel between the two times same-sex marriage was authorized as holy matrimony ἐκγαμίζω, and the way things will be just prior to his return. The "they," in Luke 17:26-27, is pretty undeniably homosexuals, such that that's old hat all of which is well-worn in the original thread-become-essay.

What's new in this thread is revelation of the very scripture from the Tanakh that Jesus was almost surely referring to when he referenced the "they" who are in the crosshairs of his preeminent sign signifying the arrival of the end times.

John

I think that your premise is: (Presence of Gays signal end time).

End time: God destroys everything and everyone.

Definition of exegesis: Critical explanation of text (especially scripture). (Source: Oxford Dictionary).

TANAKH is the Jewish Scriptures comprising the books of law, the prophets, and collected writings. (Source: Merrium Webster's Dictionary).

I worry that the Christian religion has been turned into a machine of hatred. They hate different denominations of their own faith (Mormon, for example). Christians hate Gays (they claim that it isn't hatred, but they think that they should stop being Gay, and they opose Gay marriage (which takes away the right of inheritance, and the right of child custodyl).

 

[Clara Tea]

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. 44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Daniel 2:43–44.​

The statement by the prophet concerns the impending battle between the final two kingdoms prior to the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth. One kingdom is what eschatology refers to as the "revived Roman Empire" (the last reigning earthly kingdom prior to the establishment of the kingdom of God on earth), and the other is spiritual Israel, which the same theology speaks of as having been "raptured" or resurrected from the earth just prior to the heyday of the revived Roman Empire.

The quotation from Daniel 2:43-44 contains an important hapax legomenon that Keil and Delitzsch politely understate as "peculiar." It's the Hebrew phrase זרע אנשא "seed of men." The phrase is used nowhere else than here in the entire Tanakh. The verse (Daniel 2:43) claims that the revived Roman Empire will come into its own (in the last days) when "they" (the pronoun associated with Jesus' prophesy), get this: shall mingle themselves with the seed of men מתערבין להון בזרע אנשא?

What on earth does that mean? Who, or what, is mingling itself, themselves, with the "seed of men"? And before we can even start to research that question, we're hit with the statement that these [and they're masculine according to the Hebrew text] who mingle themselves with the seed of men don't "cleave" דבק one to another since they don't properly speaking mix, any more than iron mixes with clay to produce an allow.

Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave דבק unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Genesis 2:24.​

Copper and tin are made to cleave to one another so that they shall be one metal: bronze. But try as you might, iron and clay just simply don't fuse. If you try to get them to mix, you can go through the motions, but at the end of the day "they" simply don't, properly speaking, cleave דבק.

John

Definition of eschatology: death, judgement, final destiny of the soul, and destiny of mankind.

Could the "revived Roman Empire" be the Vatican?

 

[Clara Tea]

While you blame the gays and fear what they bring I will celebrate the continued decline of Christianity and improvement and betterment of all humanity. Your claims aren't even Biblically supported, Jesus said it is a perverse generation that looks for signs, and here you claim the gays are a sign of the end times. How do you know these are the end times when Jesus himself said only the Father knows when it will be? Are you saying you know better than Jesus?

I am certain that God thanks you for speaking out in defense of His children (which include Gays). Only God is the judge. "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

 

[BrightShadow]

I am certain that God thanks you for speaking out in defense of His children (which include Gays). Only God is the judge. "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

What makes you so certain?

 

[John D. Brey]

I think that your premise is: (Presence of Gays signal end time).

. . . Then there'd be no end-times since homosexuality is as old as man. There's been homosexuality from the beginning, and in pretty much every society. Heterosexuals generally, from the start, tolerate homosexuality (as they should), but nevertheless realize it presents some problematic metaphysical assumptions that appear to be a full-frontal-nudity attack on the binary nature of being, understanding, and life itself.

Ergo, the premise isn't that homosexuality, or the presence of homosexuals, signals the end-times; that would be absurd and self-refuting, but rather, that when "heterosexuals" dispense with heterosexualized-metaphysics (i.e., understanding and functioning within the binary nature of being, genuine thought, and reality), only then do they begin to see homosexuality not as a peculiar deformity of binary metaphysics subject to toleration but not celebration, but as something as natural and celebratory as the binary nature of reality itself (the holy matrimony celebrated in heterosexual marriage). When "they" sacralize homosexuality by giving out writs of marriage, that's the end of the line according to even the Jewish sages who wrote Midrash Rabbah hundreds of years before the event signaling that there's just one generation left became a historical reality.

End time

: God destroys everything and everyone.

Exempting the redeemed.

I worry that the Christian religion has been turned into a machine of hatred. They hate different denominations of their own faith (Mormon, for example). Christians hate Gays (they claim that it isn't hatred, but they think that they should stop being Gay, and they opose Gay marriage (which takes away the right of inheritance, and the right of child custodyl).

Hatred of another person would qualify as "sin" in the metaphysics of Judeo/Christianity. Earlier in the thread an articulate atheist pointed out that the reptile brain, the animal brain, i.e., the atheist brain, doesn't really distinguish between normal, natural, thought and action, versus "sinful" thought and action. Point being, that in all of creation, only humans, enlightened by self-consciousness, free-will, and morality, distinguish between natural, inherited, thought and action (animal-level modus operandi), versus wrong, "sinful," thought and action.

If it were true that Christians hate gays, and non-Christians don't, that would seem to imply either that Christians and non-Christians are different animals (with different inherited instincts), or else that one or the other has freewill that the other one doesn't even possess? Do Christians have the freewill to hate gays, while non-Christians have only the natural, instinctual, understanding that gays are no different in an animal sense than anyone else?

Do you see the argument? All animals are atheists. Their brain isn't developed in a manner that allows anything but universal atheism. Likewise, animals don't hate their gay brothers and sisters. It's not possible since they don't possess the kind of freewill that even accepts the possibility of morally superior actions and thoughts versus "sinful" thoughts and actions. The animal brain doesn't hate homosexuality because that would be an act of moral freewill that doesn't exist for the instinctual animal brain. Non-hatred of gays appears to be similarly instinctual for atheists?

What the atheists in this thread appear to be doing, is demonizing Christians for accepting the possibility of freewill actions and thoughts, even hating gays, while they wallow in the universal community of the reptile brain that knows of no God, and hates no differences (since differences can only be natural, or inherited). Atheism and homosexuality are natural inheritances for the animal, reptile, brain, and thus any difference, to include gayness, is naturally inherited, and therefore not subject to moral judgments which, moral judgments, come from the God-consciousness not inherited through, or by, the animal-level brain.

Can you see the contradiction? Atheist's hate Christians for hating x, y, or z. And yet the atheist's position is self-refuting: they don't hate gays, or anyone else really, since whatever differences exist, are natural, and inherited, such that only the Christian is hated by the atheist since only the Christian illuminates (and functions according to) the moral ability to make judgments such that some things should be hated, and others accepted. The atheist hates Christians for acknowledging the very existence of the binary nature of morality that gives the human animal the god-given ability to judge between sinful versus not sinful thought and action. The atheist hates the Christian for acknowledging the undeniable existence of judgmental thought, and action, which, by rejecting, leaves the atheist only one judgment: hatred of those who acknowledge the existence of the human ability to judge. By judging the Christian, the atheist shows himself to be irredeemably confused, conflicted, self-refuting, and utterly infested with the circularity of sinful thought.




John

 

[John D. Brey]

Definition of eschatology: death, judgement, final destiny of the soul, and destiny of mankind.

Could the "revived Roman Empire" be the Vatican?

The revived Roman Empire is similarly called the "whore who sits on seven hills" making it all but a foregone conclusion that the same Rome and Jerusalem (Christianity and modern Pharisaical Judaism) that crucified the Lord are preparing for the sequel.



John

 

[John D. Brey]

I was raised in the Church and still know the Bible quite well, well enough to know the story of Noah without seeing a Hollywood flick.
An interesting part of that story is though the Law had not yet been delivered Jehovah gave instructions to Noah mentioning clean and unclean animals.

I think the general idea is that the law existed before it was codified in written form. The idea is that it's written on the human heart so that putting it down on lambskin, or stone tablets, is only to show the hypocrisy of those who, having it written on their hearts, have seemingly erased it, or denied it, with the rubber on the end of what the pen-is that writes things into life, being, and knowing. "They" use the rubber (eraser) as a prophylactic that allows them to have fun and get it on with the like-minded without worrying too much about life, law, or right and wrong. They abort the law written on their heart, saying that they have ownership over their body (and their heart as womb of the soul) so that God, and or man, should keep their nosy hands off: they and they alone will decide whether to acknowledge the law, use a prophylactic against it, or even abort it. . . Obeying the law written on their heart is a choice. And to a man, and women, "they" are pro-choice. "They" will choose whether or not to give it life, or to abort it, kill it, suffocate it, in order to get it on, again, and again, without recourse to the course taken by the lawful and so-called god-fearing. Sex is designed for pleasure. It's propensity to produce living things is at best a secondary nuance, a nuisance really. Pleasure, like sex, predates life. Life is the bugaboo of the Christian and the Jew. They put life, and its preservation, before our pleasure. Screw them. They say law is the only way of life and living. Suffocate it and them so that we can finally live the way we want without being judged and belittled as the lawless we proudly are. You say the law is written on the heart, then reckon me heartless; I live for my own pleasure and according to my own laws. I'm a law unto myself I think Socrates probably said, "Know thy selfish law".



John

 

[F1fan]

I am certain that God thanks you for speaking out in defense of His children (which include Gays). Only God is the judge. "Thou shalt not bear false witness."

Many Christian believers seem jealous of their God's sole duty to judge people. The irony is that they don't seem concerned about being judged by God because they are so willing to sin by defying Jesus' teachings. It's almost as if they don't believe their God exists.