Jimmy
King Phenomenon
That’s why Jesus is in quotes
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Third, Fourth And Fifth Coming…
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Trailblazer
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I believe that the spiritual world is a different dimension, a different sphere, which is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’
“Your questions, however, can be answered only briefly, since there is no time for a detailed reply. The answer to the first question: the souls of the children of the Kingdom, after their separation from the body, ascend unto the realm of everlasting life. But if ye ask as to the place, know ye that the world of existence is a single world, although its stations are various and distinct.”
(Selections From the Writings of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, p. 193)
“Those who have passed on through death, have a sphere of their own. It is not removed from ours; their work, the work of the Kingdom, is ours; but it is sanctified from what we call ‘time and place.’ Time with us is measured by the sun. When there is no more sunrise, and no more sunset, that kind of time does not exist for man. Those who have ascended have different attributes from those who are still on earth, yet there is no real separation.”
(‘Abdu’l-Bahá in London, pp. 95-96)
Yeah, I think the reason for his return is not ensuring everlasting life.
Trailblazer
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Yeah, I know what Christians believe, that Jesus is returning for the final judgement.
Where did Jesus (not Paul) say that?
Trailblazer
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Not again? What is it that he did before that Jesus is going to do again?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
This is also what I believe.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
Go down to Earth and live in a human body with all its aches and pains, hunger, illness and so on.
Trailblazer
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Lucky for Jesus that he is not coming back to this world. He never planned to.
John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
John 16:10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more.
John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
Alien826
No religious beliefs
My little story was just a joke.
Trailblazer
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For the Son of Man will come in the glory of his Father with his angels, and then he will render to everyone according to his deeds.
Matt. 16:27
Trailblazer
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Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?
Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man...
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Jesus calls him son of man, for example this shows the connection:
The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' But wisdom is justified by her children."
Matt. 11:19
Trailblazer
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Jesus was the Son of Man, but He was not the Son of Man who would come in the latter days.
Since Jesus was the Son of Man the following verses cannot be about the Jesus.
Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
I believe that those verses are about Baha'u'llah who was one like Jesus.
Son of man coming on the clouds means that the return of the Christ Spirit will appear in the form of another human being. The term “clouds” as used in the Bible means those things that are contrary to the ways and desires of men. Just like the physical clouds prevent the eyes of men from beholding the sun, these things hindered men from recognizing the return of Christ.
In other words, the judgment of most people was clouded when Christ returned and it is still clouded for most people.
One thing that clouds the judgment of Christians is their desire for the same Jesus to return to earth.
I believe he is, and I think it is what the Bible says.
I don't see why that could not be about the Jesus.
Why?
Trailblazer
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The Bible does not say that Jesus was not the Son of Man who would come in the latter days. I do not see how that is possible given that Jesus said more than once that He was no more in this world. (John 14:19, John 16:10, John 17:4, John 17:11)
It cannot be about Jesus since Jesus was the Son of Man, given the Bible says one like the Son of man.
Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Because Baha'u'llah fulfilled these prophecies.
Jesus ascended into heaven. Baha’u’llah, one like the son of man, descended from the heaven of the Will of God, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Those verses are about an earthly Kingdom, not a heavenly Kingdom. Jesus’ Kingdom is in heaven, Baha’u’llah’s Kingdom will be on earth, after it is built by humans.
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.
These two verses in John 18 completely negate that Jesus is the King of this world or that Jesus will ever come to this world to rule it, and they fit perfectly together with John 17:4 and John 17:11. Jesus came into this world to bear witness unto the truth about God. He did that so there is no more reason for Jesus to come back to this world again. That is why Jesus said “I am no more in the world.”
All men are sons of man, except Adam. I think Daniel is just saying that the person who came, was like son of man, looked like a man. Not that the person was someone else than Jesus who looked like Jesus.
I have not seen any good reason to believe that.
The kingdom of Jesus is on earth, if the people of the Kingdom are on earth:
Being asked by the Pharisees when God’s Kingdom would come, he answered them, “God’s Kingdom doesn’t come with observa-tion; neither will they say, ‘Look, here!’ or, ‘Look, there!’ for behold, God’s Kingdom is within you.”
Luke 17:20-21
Doesn't mean he is not coming back.
Trailblazer
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Again, the meaning of the verse depends upon which translation you look at.
KJ21 one like the Son of Man
ESV one like a son of man
One like the Son of Man means one like Jesus, but one like a son of man could mean that the person who comes will be like a son of man, like a man.
You wouldn't have any reason to believe that unless you looked at the Bible prophecies AND how they were fulfilled by the coming of Baha'u'llah.
Many of the prophecies and how they were fulfilled are in the following book.
That's true, the kingdom is within us, but there is also a kingdom that will be built on earth, the kingdom that Jesus asked us to pray for.
Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Matthew 6:10
What else could it mean? How could Jesus come back to this world if He said He was "no more in the world?”
I think it is the same that is within the people.
I think it means just that, he is not anymore in the world, at that point, not that he will not ever be here again.