Milton Platt
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The watchmaker argument has been dead for hundreds of years.....someone just keeps dragging it out of the grave again.....
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This certainly puts an end to the watchmaker argument.
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The watchmaker argument has been dead for hundreds of years.....someone just keeps dragging it out of the grave again.....
I think they just do it out of generosity to evolutionists.
(It's so easy & fun to debunk.)
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
I actually considered putting docs on my desktop outlining the issues with standard apologetics arguments so I could just "drag and drop" and not have to type it out yet again.
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I've saved some of the info I've collected for subjects which come up often.
Jose Fly
Fisker of men
That's pretty much true of every creationist argument. How many times have we "defeated" the following only to see the creationists wait a bit and just repeat them as if nothing had happened?
It's only a theory.
There's no proof.
There are no transitional fossils.
Piltdown Man!!!!
Evolution can't increase genetic information.
Mutations only destroy.
Evolution can't increase complexity.
That's adaptation not evolution.
What about the coelacanth?
Darwin was a racist.
Hitler was a Darwinist.
Evolutionists can't say how life began, so evolution is just faith.
Scientists are abandoning evolution.
Look at what this scientist admitted <insert quote mine>.
Houses need a builder, paintings need a painter, so since life is obviously designed there must be a designer.
And as long as there are internet creationists, we'll never stop seeing these zombie talking points.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
A simplistic approach to Christianity relies on the Garden of Eden myth along with the Fall of Adam. An excuse must be found for our supposed need of salvation. No Adam and Eve, no fall, no need for salvation and Jesus's "sacrifice" was unneeded. Though the immorality of the crucifixion becomes obvious to anyone that takes a serious look at it anyway.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
:O)
Sure. I mean, I'm an atheist. It would be strange indeed if I thought evolution pointed towards the existence of God.
... which is bizarre to me considering how important religion tends to be for religious people.
I know I'd need much more than "you can't prove it's not true" to justify a set of beliefs if I was going to build my entire life around them.
Milton Platt
Well-Known Member
But wait.....there's more!!!
We know the watch is not a natural phenomenon because it contrasts to everything around it....the natural world, which is the very thing a creationist is trying to say was created. If the watch and everything around it seemed created, you would not pick it out over a rock, a flower, or a sunset. The watch would not stand out.
What non-designed thing are we to compare the watch to?
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
There's the fascinating field of
Chronobiology Where the timepiece in question can take on an even more fascinating form.
Chronobiology Where the timepiece in question can take on an even more fascinating form.
gnostic
The Lost One
The Watchmaker assumption have been used by both creationists and ID followers, is just analogy...and it is unrealistic and faulty analogy at that.
That people, today, would even reuse this flaw-ridden analogy, just show how desperate they are, to make creationism and ID relevant.
Only the naïve and fools would fall for such ploys or tactics, in this day and age.
That people, today, would even reuse this flaw-ridden analogy, just show how desperate they are, to make creationism and ID relevant.
Only the naïve and fools would fall for such ploys or tactics, in this day and age.
Darwin is a Christian, so I don't see why the 'Atheists' think they defeated the Watchmaker argument.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Actually he started as a Christian and ended as an agnostic. And even if he was a Christian your argument fails.
What argument? I objected to a false claim. I think there's no better Christian than one who is agnostic about a physical creator.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Your post implied that atheists had not refuted the Watchmaker argument. That was of course wrong. And to support that belief you used an incorrect non sequitur.
Creationists would argue that a watch could easily be designed to look like a flower -- and that a flower looks designed anyway.
I think it's mostly because creationists don't understand the mechanisms of evolution that they see a parallel with manufactured items.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
No. Darwin wasn't a Christian. That was expressed in his own personal correspondence which exists to this day.
A Letter About Darwin’s Belief in God Just Sold for Nearly $200,000 | Smart News | Smithsonian
I know number of Christians like going with the notion that Darwin was a Christian, but it's just not true.
My post implies only that theists refute the Watchmaker argument. Charles Darwin is an example of that, regardless of how much Nowhere Man tries to claim that only atheists have done so.