This is sad

[Unveiled Artist]

No the negativity is not uncalled for when people's lives are at stake

They don't go hand in hand.

Thousands of people die daily. Death isn't an excuse for negativity.

If you had a sick loved one and someone was around them unvaccinated then yeah, I can see the negativity. Not right but I understand.

But negativity for thousands of people dying from covid but other viruses nothing...and total strangers. It's less about deaths and dying and more about blaming other people.

One way to test this is to see what would happen if a provaxxer decide he doesn't want to get vaccinated the next year (if it's at an interval) and became antivax....what would provaxxers do to him?

I wonder if unvacinated people (which is a small minority) were locked away. I mean the unvaccinated makes up such a small minority. You mind as well, no?

 

[ChristineM]

They don't go hand in hand.

Thousands of people die daily. Death isn't an excuse for negativity.

If you had a sick loved one and someone was around them unvaccinated then yeah, I can see the negativity. Not right but I understand.

But negativity for thousands of people dying from covid but other viruses nothing...and total sttamgers. It's less about deaths and dying and more about blaming other people.

One way to test this is to see what would happen if a provaxxer decide he doesn't want to get vaccinated the next year (if it's at an interval) and became antivax....what would provaxxers do to him?

I wonder if unvacinated people (which is a small minority) were locked away. I mean the unvaccinated makes up such a small minority. You mind as well.

Right and people die from covid and unvaccinated people can transmit the disease. I qm not arguing with you. But stating evidenced fact

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Right and people die from covid. I qm not arguing with you. But stating evidenced fact

Yes. But my points and questions?

The negativity is unjustified. If you guys really want to convince unvaccinated to vaccinate drop the negativity.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

That would be interesting if we had a journal-lock for bent threads.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes. But my points and questions?

The negativity is unjustified. If you guys really want to convince unvaccinated to vaccinate drop the negativity.

Your opinion is noted, i personally treat anyone who is not bothered about causing the death of other people with negativity.

These sort of people will not listen to evidence, to experts, all they are interested in is themselves,

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Your opinion is noted, i personally treat anyone who is not bothered about causing the death of other people with negativity.

These sort of people will not listen to evidence, to experts, all they are interested in is themselves,

These people Do listen to advice, experts, etc.
No they are not.

Saying "I'm not vaccinated" from any person means nothing on its own.

1. Would you section off unvaccinated people so they won't "possibly" affect other people-maybe just themselves?

2. It's one thing to target a minority, sad as that is (my OP), but what would you do with that minority to make sure the disease doesn't spread to vaccinated people?

I mean, I don't like people's behaviors and I disagree with many people's choices, but I don't accuse them of possible murder unless they give me (and others) a "concrete" and evidential reason to do so.

No court will take a claim "I'm unvaccinated" and assume that statement will possibly kill thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated people. There needs to be more evidence than that statement.

If the evidence does not say anything against them besides a statement, it means nothing. That's all the opinion and perception of the accuser, nothing more.

No medical expert will say we are all-world wide-at the same risk of contracting COVID.

Unless you have something else to go on besides that claim, it really goes no where. The issue isn't the claim-experts know not all people are at the same risk-it's the negativity. It's not justified because people die. Thank goodness our justice system here in the US doesn't go off that.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

"Available" being the operative word....

I doubt it. We can walk down the street and get vaccines for free. It's over the PA system in most stores. It's on all signs. There mind as well (actually, I think they do somewhere) have an arrow pointing to where one can get the vaccine "there's no excuse" if you get the reference.

People who choose not to take the vaccine willingfully do so. Those who Do change their minds, though, they don't have to go far to get it.

 

[ChristineM]

These people Do listen to advice, experts, etc.
No they are not.

Saying "I'm not vaccinated" from any person means nothing on its own.

1. Would you section off unvaccinated people so they won't "possibly" affect other people-maybe just themselves?

2. It's one thing to target a minority, sad as that is (my OP), but what would you do with that minority to make sure the disease doesn't spread to vaccinated people?

I mean, I don't like people's behaviors and I disagree with many people's choices, but I don't accuse them of possible murder unless they give me (and others) a "concrete" and evidential reason to do so.

No court will take a claim "I'm unvaccinated" and assume that statement will possibly kill thousands of vaccinated and unvaccinated people. There needs to be more evidence than that statement.

If the evidence does not say anything against them besides a statement, it means nothing. That's all the opinion and perception of the accuser, nothing more.

No medical expert will say we are all-world wide-at the same risk of contracting COVID.

Unless you have something else to go on besides that claim, it really goes no where. The issue isn't the claim-experts know not all people are at the same risk-it's the negativity. It's not justified because people die. Thank goodness our justice system here in the US doesn't go off that.

1/ the virus is contagious so such a scenario does not exist

2/ why is it my problem to control people with no care for other peoples lives?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

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1/ the virus is contagious so such a scenario does not exist

2/ why is it my problem to control people with no care for other peoples lives?

ChristineM. I get what you're saying.

Your problem??? Who said it was your problem?

Of course the scenario doesn't exist. It's a scenario or hypothetical asking what would you do in the below situation.

If individual people who are unvaccinated have the possibility to kill the world by spreading the infection, would it be alright to quarantine unvaccinated people in an isolated place so they can't spread the disease?

Even more so, if they did do that, would provaxxers fight against it or go with the clan?

It's fine to be honest ChristineM.

No accusation.

I'm just curious.

 

[ChristineM]

ChristineM. I get what you're saying.

Your problem??? Who said it was your problem?

Of course the scenario doesn't exist. It's a scenario or hypothetical asking what would you do in the below situation.

If individual people who are unvaccinated have the possibility to kill the world by spreading the infection, would it be alright to quarantine unvaccinated people in an isolated place so they can't spread the disease?

Even more so, if they did do that, would provaxxers fight against it or go with the clan?

It's fine to be honest ChristineM.

No accusation.

I'm just curious.

I will quote you

but what would you do

You said it was my problem.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I will quote you



You said it was my problem.

It looks like a question

Edit. Yep. It's a question.

Take the you out and put it with what would he or she do (in this scenario). You-as in asking your opinion not accusing you of anything.

 

[ChristineM]

It looks like a question

Yes, a question putting it onto me to sort out the idiots who don't give a toss for anyone else

Their irresponsible behaviour is not up to me to sort out

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Yes, a question putting it onto me to sort out the idiots who don't give a toss for anyone else

Their irresponsible behaviour is not up to me to sort out

Actually, no. I'll try to make shorter posts. This is an assumption.

This used to be a journal entry. I was talking about the negativity of majority of provaxxers on RF. It was a vent until a couple of people start putting up data and challenging the OP. I think I hit a nerve, which is weird because provaxxers do belittle antivaxxers and they do admit it. So, I guess it's the fact of pointing that out is the problem not so much the opinion itself. It was switched to general debates, so ... but my point is still the same:

It's the other way around. Provaxxers are calling unvaccinated covidiots and saying we don't know the expert facts and have irresponsible behavior.

I never heard unvaccinated people call provaxxers that on RF, actually. A couple of them are antivaxxers (not all of us are), but even they just share their opinions.

I mean, I have biases myself but negativity is a red flag and if people want to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, negativity is a sure fire way not to succeed.

 

[ChristineM]

Actually, no. I'll try to make shorter posts. This is an assumption.

This used to be a journal entry. I was talking about the negativity of majority of provaxxers on RF. It was a vent until a couple of people start putting up data and challenging the OP. I think I hit a nerve, which is weird because provaxxers do belittle antivaxxers and they do admit it. So, I guess it's the fact of pointing that out is the problem not so much the opinion itself. It was switched to general debates, so ... but my point is still the same:

It's the other way around. Provaxxers are calling unvaccinated covidiots and saying we don't know the expert facts and have irresponsible behavior.

I never heard unvaccinated people call provaxxers that on RF, actually. A couple of them are antivaxxers (not all of us are), but even they just share their opinions.

I mean, I have biases myself but negativity is a red flag and if people want to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, negativity is a sure fire way not to succeed.

What you have heard is irrelevant, it got to the stage that admin included a new rule about honesty regards the pandemic. The reason i believe most of the anti vaxer types have upped and gone.


And as i said, however you go about it you will not convince an anti vaxer to get vaccinated because they have their god given rights to kill whoever they want

 

[ChristineM]

Actually, no. I'll try to make shorter posts. This is an assumption.
.

Make them as short as you like, i don't really care,this is all old ground rehashed and im done, its not worth the hassle

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Make them as short as you like, i don't really care,this is all old ground rehashed and im done, its not worth the hassle

It was a journal entry. I know your views. The problem is you're putting words in my mouth, assumptions, etc based on vaccination alone.

I didn't accuse privaxxers themselves just the behavior and speech.

I can't accuse a person itself, no less a group of people. So when I see it done, it does get to me.

But we do have a choice to join threads, ChristineM. So, I'd be mindful of that.

I can't change your opinions just correct you if you got me off.


Other than that, you're not a bad person or anything.

It takes me awhile to really think that way and it's usually those who put me at danger.

But I am and still curious about unvaccinated people.

Maybe you do have some sort of care about unvaccinated people?

Someone who doesn't the question would be easier to answer no matter how unethical I believe it is:

It's just being honest.

 

[ChristineM]

It was a journal entry. I know your views. The problem is you're putting words in my mouth, assumptions, etc based on vaccination alone.

I didn't accuse privaxxers themselves just the behavior and speech.

I can't accuse a person itself, no less a group of people. So when I see it done, it does get to me.

But we do have a choice to join threads, ChristineM. So, I'd be mindful of that.

I can't change your opinions just correct you if you got me off.


Other than that, you're not a bad person or anything.

It takes me awhile to really think that way and it's usually those who put me at danger.

But I am and still curious about unvaccinated people.

Maybe you do have some sort of care about unvaccinated people?

Someone who doesn't the question would be easier to answer no matter how unethical I believe it is.

It's just being honest.

General debates... Ok. I believe you.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

General debates... Ok. I believe you.

Yeah. Thanks.

Look like they deleted the warning and posts. I commented on it when @Lyndon challenged it on the post 7, 11, and 14. @Debate Slayer was nice about the questions but, well, it kinda went downhill from there.

Best one can do is either be open to other people's opinions without judging or just let it be.

I didn't put journal entry in the OP. If I do another one, I'll put it there though don't know if people "listen." RF-glitch I suppose.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Guys

Let me ask.

I think this debate has nothing much to do with the idea of spreading the virus just the negativity against the unvaccinated people.

The smaller minority cannot get vacinated, so do you feel they should get the same treatment as those who chose not to vaccinate?

If not, why not?

Edit.

I'm asking if the provax argument is less about the spread and more about disagreeing with people's choices.

 

[Kooky]

'This' is my point exactly.

Where has the world gone to where we can't even respect people's words and believe they know what's best for themselves "and" others?

It's almost as if societies require people to compromise on their individuality.