Thoughts on ISIS?

[Amira Zamakhshari]

Let's talk about ISIS, if that's not too big a red button?

There was an article today on FB showing how ISIS has incredible social media skillz, and how they are having a lot of success recruiting young people. Most of the sisters from the masjid know that ISIS is trouble, but some of the young brothers seem to think that ISIS is living "real Islam".

To me, it looks black and white. ISIS doesn't speak for Islam or represent Islam, and most of the big scholars have denounced them. Like Azhar and the Grand Mufti of Saudi just condemned them this week as enemies of the faith. That's means that ISIS are zendaqa, right?

So if real authorities like Azhar and Saudi are against ISIS, why do some people still think that they are representing "real" Islam? Is there any chance that ISIS really does have a legitimate point of view, and the rest of us are just sold out to the Western powers?

For the record, I think ISIS is the new Great Satan. There, I said it. :yes:

- Amira Z.

 

[Matemkar]

Salam. The fatwas/rulings of some do not determine what ISIS/ISIL is. Rather it is the aim and doings of that movement which should be a sign for us to judge them. And the aims ISIS has and the crimes they commit is not accepted within the fold of any branch of Islam.

Here's a good analysis on the issue: ISIL making mockery of Islamic principles, concepts

With their fight, they want to destroy the ME nations from Nile to Euphrates so that their zionist masters can settle freely. Because Syrian, Iraqi and Iranian armies, and Hizbullah, Hamas and alike movements if weakened, would mean no barrier to stop this NA and ME project.

With taking pictures and videos of their crimes and proudly showing them to the world, they are trying to repulse 1- Muslims from the concept of founding peaceful Islamic Republics. 2- Non-Muslims from Islam.

Please see:

Nasr TV - Allah Akbar, God Is the Greatest - Nasr Clip - Nasr Production - Video

Also;

Nasr TV - Two Sides Of The Same Coin - Nasr Clip - Nasr Production - Video

And, yes, ISIS is one of the tools of Sufyani (hypocrite "Muslim" regimes).

 

[Smart_Guy]

Sister, if what we hear of ISIS on the media true, then they are indeed evil. Stay away from them.

 

[Matemkar]

What do you mean if? Brother, do you think there is ever a chance for doubt?
For someone to doubt about it, there has to be a denial by ISIS first, but what we see, instead of a denial, is them taking pics and videos of their crimes and share them proudly.

 

[Smart_Guy]

Pictures and videos that I still haven't come across in my searches. I don't know much about ISIS and common sense says we have to make sure before judging. Remember, Islam is hated world wide because of what people hear and see on the media and from indirect sources, not because they lived it properly. Let's not do the same acts we hated done against us.

Right now I only know they do suicidal missions which is plain wrong. Please give me time to research ISIS well first.

But rest assured, I do not support them in the slightest. Don't worry.

 

[Draupadi]

One word for them- ewww!

 

[Pastek]

So if real authorities like Azhar and Saudi are against ISIS, why do some people still think that they are representing "real" Islam? Is there any chance that ISIS really does have a legitimate point of view, and the rest of us are just sold out to the Western powers?

If you think that the killing between muslims is normal, that raping women is normal, that stealing money is normal then you have a psychologic problem.

Those who legitimate ISIS are people who are seduced by slogans.

 

[ronki23]

What's the major difference between ISIS and Al Qaeda?

ISIS- Anti Semitic, condemnation of the West, killing of Muslims, terror attacks
Al Qaeda- Anti Semitic, condemnation of the West, killing of Muslims (president Sadat, Northern Alliance), terror attacks like 9/11 and Embassy Bombings

Which Muslims does ISIS kill? I thought Kurds and Yazidis were different religions

Why did Al Qaeda split from them anyway?

 

[Pastek]

What's the major difference between ISIS and Al Qaeda?

ISIS- Anti Semitic, condemnation of the West, killing of Muslims, terror attacks
Al Qaeda- Anti Semitic, condemnation of the West, killing of Muslims (president Sadat, Northern Alliance), terror attacks like 9/11 and Embassy Bombings

Which Muslims does ISIS kill? I thought Kurds and Yazidis were different religions

Why did Al Qaeda split from them anyway?

Most of the Kurds are muslims and the Yazidis i think they are a sect from Zoroastrianism.
I think they kill those who don't accept them, but i've heard that they are sunni, so if it's correct they may kill the Shia (maybe ?).

I've read that the chief of ISIS was close to Al Zawairi. So i guess it's more or less the same thing that Al Qaida. Just an other sect more barbaric.

 

[ronki23]

Most of the Kurds are muslims and the Yazidis i think they are a sect from Zoroastrianism.
I think they kill those who don't accept them, but i've heard that they are sunni, so if it's correct they may kill the Shia (maybe ?).

I've read that the chief of ISIS was close to Al Zawairi. So i guess it's more or less the same thing that Al Qaida. Just an other sect more barbaric.

You say they kill those who don't accept them- who would that be as it's still radical Sunni Islam. Kurds are Sunni aren't they?

I also read Al Qaeda doesn't condone killing civilians- what about 9/11 or the Luxor Massacre?

How can they be against each other if they have the same views?

Also I've heard ISIS is anti Hamas even though Hamas is also anti-Semitic and anti-Western

 

[raw_thought]

ISIS claims to be Muslim, but they are not. Their version of God resembles Satan. I am sure Mohammed would send them straight to hell.

 

[ronki23]

ISIS claims to be Muslim, but they are not. Their version of God resembles Satan. I am sure Mohammed would send them straight to hell.

Same could be said for Hamas and Al Qaeda

While this is not a place for debating, perhaps one may think they're interpreting their religion wrongly/ there are many linguistic meanings to what scriptures say- as Christianity and Islam have had a controversial history

 

[Pastek]

You say they kill those who don't accept them- who would that be as it's still radical Sunni Islam. Kurds are Sunni aren't they?

I also read Al Qaeda doesn't condone killing civilians- what about 9/11 or the Luxor Massacre?

Why would they condone the killing of civilians in those places while they do the same in north africa and the middle east.
I don't know if Kurds are sunnis or shias or both but i don't think they would accept to be under this fake caliphate.

Also I've heard ISIS is anti Hamas even though Hamas is also anti-Semitic and anti-Western

I'm not aware of this.

 

[ronki23]

Dr Al Zawahiri launched the Indian branch of Al Qaeda today while the West focus on ISIS

Wht is the real difference as Al Qaedasays ISIS is too extreme for them as they kill women and children and other Muslims. But Al Qaeda was responsible for 9/11 and the bombings of the US Embassies. Why are they considered different if they have the same goals?

And are they Salafi, Qutb or Wahabbi as bin Laden and Al Zawahiri were influenced by Sayyid Qutb but say they are Salafi?

I'm sure there was a well known movie where the bad guys/gangs turned on each other even though beliefs are the same

 

[TashaN]

Anyone can come with an evil idea and convince so many people that's it's a sound idea either by speech, money, influence, manipulation, weakness of the followers, etc.

How do you think Hitler convinced his people, the Germans to conquer Europe and massacre the Jews?

ISIS came at a point of desperation and weakness at the part of many Muslims and they showed brutal power and arrogance, so many fell for it.

 

[Matemkar]

Even the wahabis rule against them. Please see:

Saudi Arabia’s senior cleric has urged confrontation against the “oppressive” ISIL terrorists.

On Sunday, Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh called the Takfiris an “aggressive and oppressive” group that “sheds blood.”

“If they fight Muslims, then Muslims must fight them to rid people and religion of their evil and harm,” the mufti said, adding, “They have been killing ever since they began their fight. Their killing is filled with mutilations and hideousness that distort (the image of) Muslims.”

On August 19, the sheikh described the ISIL as “enemy number-one” of Islam, noting that extremism, radicalism, and terrorism have nothing to do with the holy religion.

In late August, reports said the ISIL militants were planning to launch an attack against the Saudis during Eid al-Adha (the Feast of Sacrifice), which marks the culmination of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

The ISIL militants have been already wreaking havoc on Syria and Iraq. The terrorists have been committing heinous crimes including the mass execution of civilians and armed forces in the areas they have under control in the two neighboring countries.

Takfiri terrorists currently control parts of eastern Syria and Iraq’s northern and western regions. They have threatened all communities, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, Christians, Izadi Kurds and others, as they continue their atrocities in Iraq.

Senior Iraqi officials have blamed Saudi Arabia, Qatar and some Persian Gulf Arab states for the growing terrorism in their country.

The terrorist group has links with Saudi intelligence and is believed to be indirectly supported by the Israeli regime.

Source: Taghrib News - News Website for the Proximity of Islamic Schools of Thought

 

[ronki23]

Even the wahabis rule against them. Please see:

Saudi Arabia’s senior cleric has urged confrontation against the “oppressive” ISIL terrorists.

On Sunday, Saudi Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh called the Takfiris an “aggressive and oppressive” group that “sheds blood.”

“If they fight Muslims, then Muslims must fight them to rid people and religion of their evil and harm,” the mufti said, adding, “They have been killing ever since they began their fight. Their killing is filled with mutilations and hideousness that distort (the image of) Muslims.”

On August 19, the sheikh described the ISIL as “enemy number-one” of Islam, noting that extremism, radicalism, and terrorism have nothing to do with the holy religion.

In late August, reports said the ISIL militants were planning to launch an attack against the Saudis during Eid al-Adha (the Feast of Sacrifice), which marks the culmination of the annual Hajj pilgrimage.

The ISIL militants have been already wreaking havoc on Syria and Iraq. The terrorists have been committing heinous crimes including the mass execution of civilians and armed forces in the areas they have under control in the two neighboring countries.

Takfiri terrorists currently control parts of eastern Syria and Iraq’s northern and western regions. They have threatened all communities, including Shias, Sunnis, Kurds, Christians, Izadi Kurds and others, as they continue their atrocities in Iraq.

Senior Iraqi officials have blamed Saudi Arabia, Qatar and some Persian Gulf Arab states for the growing terrorism in their country.

The terrorist group has links with Saudi intelligence and is believed to be indirectly supported by the Israeli regime.

Source: Taghrib News - News Website for the Proximity of Islamic Schools of Thought

But what is the goal of ISIS? And how does it differ from Al Qaeda? Is Al Qaeda Qutbi or Salafi?

And what does the bold mean-Saudi and Israel condemn them don't they?

 

[kaoticprofit]

ISIS wants one flag, one currency, and no borders. And of course a regional caliphate. There's not that much difference between the two. They both hate the west. Al Qaeda never sought after a caliphate like ISIS. And they do differ in how they approach terrorism.

 

[DawudTalut]

Let's talk about ISIS, if that's not too big a red button?

There was an article today on FB showing how ISIS has incredible social media skillz, and how they are having a lot of success recruiting young people. Most of the sisters from the masjid know that ISIS is trouble, but some of the young brothers seem to think that ISIS is living "real Islam".

To me, it looks black and white. ISIS doesn't speak for Islam or represent Islam, and most of the big scholars have denounced them. Like Azhar and the Grand Mufti of Saudi just condemned them this week as enemies of the faith. That's means that ISIS are zendaqa, right?

So if real authorities like Azhar and Saudi are against ISIS, why do some people still think that they are representing "real" Islam? Is there any chance that ISIS really does have a legitimate point of view, and the rest of us are just sold out to the Western powers?

For the record, I think ISIS is the new Great Satan. There, I said it. :yes:

- Amira Z.

Peace be on you.
Ahmadiyya Muslims' Position:
Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (The Ahmadiyya Khalifah) categorically condemned terrorist groups such as ISIS, Boko Haram and Al-Shabaab as acting completely against the teachings of Islam and quoted verses of the Holy Quran that refuted all forms of extremism.
https://www.alislam.org/egazette/pr...uired-to-prevent-outbreak-of-third-world-war/

He (a.t.) also said:
“It is never permissible, in any circumstance, to force another person to accept Islam or indeed any religion… All people are free to believe or not to believe. And so when the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was permitted only to convey the message of Islam and nothing further – how then can the so called Muslim leaders of today go beyond this and think they have more power, authority or rights than the Prophet of Islam?”
https://www.alislam.org/egazette/pr...der-calls-for-urgent-action-against-extemism/

 

[Godobeyer]

I think ISIS is the new Great Satan. There, I said it. :yes:

- Amira Z.

Salam Sister ,I believe 99% of Muslims agree with you .