Thoughts on the Fall of Adam

[YoursTrue]

The combination of being over simplified and your inability to understand it makes your arguments worthless. I have not lied but you continually admit that evolution is right.

Why do you do that?

I am truly beginning to realize you either don't either read or process information correctly.

 

[YoursTrue]

Fossils, DNA, ERV's. embryology, homologous structures, the list goes on and on. You are only looking at one small part of the evidence.

And you do not even understand the concept of evidence. How are you going to understand what is or what is not "proof"?

One more thing before I close for tonight. No populations have been found that transmigrated from procreation into a different form. If there have been, provide your conjectural proof. I'm willing to listen. Good night.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I am truly beginning to realize you either don't either read or process information correctly.

Please, you are projecting your faults upon others. I explained to you repeatedly how and why you are admitting that evolution is a fact when you move the goal posts.

Don't blame me because you do not know how to debate properly.

 

[Subduction Zone]

One more thing before I close for tonight. No populations have been found that transmigrated from procreation into a different form. If there have been, provide your conjectural proof. I'm willing to listen. Good night.

You keep using bogus terms. We have observed evolution on the order of the evolution that separated man from our closest relative. There is no "change in form" in our evolution. You as much as admitted that we are very similar to chimps. We are more like chimps than any other species on the Earth.

There are literally mountains of scientific evidence for evolution. There is none for creationism. Why would you believe a myth? Worse yet why do you believe that God lied?

 

[Subduction Zone]

It didn't matter whether evolution relied upon the primordial soup. That's what was taught and expected to be accepted as the substance which engendered the progression to apes and humans. Stop hiding basic truths from yourself.

It was more likely that you misunderstood it. And please, you should not lie about others.

By the way, every time that you bring up abiogenesis you are admitting that life is the product of evolution. It is such a pity that you do not understand this.

 

[Thief]

Now that you mention this, Eve was not created as Adam was. She was made from Adam's rib. And as I refresh myself with the Genesis account, the animals, too, were created from the ground. (How did Moses know the animals and humans had elements from the ground?)
Genesis 2:19-22
And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field and every bird of the air, and He brought them to the man to see what he would name each one. And whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.20The man gave names to all the livestock, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adamb no suitable helper was found. 21So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep, and while he slept, He took one of the man’s ribsc and closed up the area with flesh. 22And from the rib that the LORD God had taken from the man, He made a woman and brought her to him.
Again, I am in awe of the fabulous information in the Bible.

yeah.....

as I post I sometimes work from my imagination
many would say.....no fair
and in return I say.....the imagination is the problem solving part of the mind
and there are no problems you can solve without it

was Moses just a figure of someone's imagination?......nay
I think he was a real man

did he have inside information as he wrote Genesis?......seems that way

is Adam and Eve just a story?......no such people?......
I say something happened to alter the body, mind and course of mankind

and Genesis.....especially Chapter Two
has soooooo much science in it

 

[Thief]

I see some background that no one has mentioned.....

EVERYONE is a product of the earth

ALL that you are is dust.....literally

have you been drawn up from the ground?.......yes you have

it is common to say a mother eats for two
and all that she consumed ....came up from the earth
some of that became.... you

you are dust

as was Adam and Eve

 

[nPeace]

I am truly beginning to realize you either don't either read or process information correctly.

He reads only what he wants - what he imagines he can run in circles with, and just repeat himself. He avoids and skips over what he can't handle - what shows him up as wrong. You are experiencing for yourself. Good.

 

[Subduction Zone]

He reads only what he wants - what he imagines he can run in circles with, and just repeat himself. He avoids and skips over what he can't handle - what shows him up as wrong. You are experiencing for yourself. Good.

No, you are describing yourself. I will always support my claims. You, not so much. The problem is that you disqualify yourself from debating by refusing to correct past errors. You have shown that you do not understand the nature of evidence and yet you refuse to even discuss the concept. Why is that?

 

[Muffled]

Do you realize that excessive green ink is a sing of instability?

Green ink - RationalWiki

I don't believe I have ever heard that before. I usually reserve green for things that are evil and yet strangely enough it is my favorite color.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't believe I have ever heard that before. I usually reserve green for things that are evil and yet strangely enough it is my favorite color.

If you followed the link you would see that people that abuse the little bells and whistles that a forum has only hurts their posts. I will try to limit my use to a couple of uses at the very most. Less is more.

If all one has all sorts of changes in color, font size, font style, and bold and not bold it tells us that the actual argument is probably lacking. It also makes a post harder to read, not easier. For the poster it is self defeating.

 

[YoursTrue]

He reads only what he wants - what he imagines he can run in circles with, and just repeat himself. He avoids and skips over what he can't handle - what shows him up as wrong. You are experiencing for yourself. Good.

He reads only what he wants - what he imagines he can run in circles with, and just repeat himself. He avoids and skips over what he can't handle - what shows him up as wrong. You are experiencing for yourself. Good.

I see that. Some people just can't see their way out of a closed-minded situation. It is sad, but -- that's the way it is. Thanks.

 

[YoursTrue]

No, you are describing yourself. I will always support my claims. You, not so much. The problem is that you disqualify yourself from debating by refusing to correct past errors. You have shown that you do not understand the nature of evidence and yet you refuse to even discuss the concept. Why is that?

You have not supported your claims with anything but guesswork and your desired illogical (ridiculous conclusions as far as outcome goes. And you lie about what others say as well, refusing to see the truth and, to be specific, the lies in your own arguments, such as saying I support evolution. You make these claims and offer nothing to back them up. However, I am sure you will find others to agree with you, despite the absurdity of your statements.

 

[YoursTrue]

I see some background that no one has mentioned.....

EVERYONE is a product of the earth

ALL that you are is dust.....literally

have you been drawn up from the ground?.......yes you have

it is common to say a mother eats for two
and all that she consumed ....came up from the earth
some of that became.... you

you are dust

as was Adam and Eve

Right now, so far, I can't disagree with you. I just wasn't sure exactly what you were saying, so I waited. God said Adam came from dust,and would go back to dust, you're right about that. And the concept that He made Adam (man) in God's image different from the animals, is certainly something to think about and consider. Genesis 3:17 - Genesis 3:19
By the sweat of your brow you will eat your bread, until you return to the ground--because out of it were you taken. For dust you are, and to dust you shall return." What I also think is noteworthy is that He created Adam first,and then made Eve from Adam's rib, not directly from the ground. It's all fascinating and wonderful and fabulous.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see that. Some people just can't see their way out of a closed-minded situation. It is sad, but -- that's the way it is. Thanks.

Oh my! More projection. @nPeace has more than once accused me of misquoting the Bible. When I show that I did not he never admits that his accusation is wrong. You simply were not able to read what the Bible actually says since that obviously did not happen in the myth. But again, this is a minor error in the Bible since we all know that Genesis was never meant to be taken literally.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You have not supported your claims with anything but guesswork and your desired illogical (ridiculous conclusions as far as outcome goes. And you lie about what others say as well, refusing to see the truth and, to be specific, the lies in your own arguments, such as saying I support evolution. You make these claims and offer nothing to back them up. However, I am sure you will find others to agree with you, despite the absurdity of your statements.

Of course I have. Right now we are trying to go over the basics. You have not supported your claims properly. The only support you could find was a poorly written popular science article. I have given much more valid links for my claims.

Since you do not understand the nature of evidence we really should discuss that first. If you understood what is and what is not evidence you would not make nearly as many mistakes.

 

[YoursTrue]

Of course I have. Right now we are trying to go over the basics. You have not supported your claims properly. The only support you could find was a poorly written popular science article. I have given much more valid links for my claims.

Since you do not understand the nature of evidence we really should discuss that first. If you understood what is and what is not evidence you would not make nearly as many mistakes.

I understand the points presented but you jump (as many do) from fact (composition of matter) to illogical fantasy conclusions as if they were truth. That is why no one can accurately and positively support the idea that one population survived and slowly or quickly morphed into another with nothing to prove or show for the "in-between" groups (or populations).

 

[YoursTrue]

Oh my! More projection. @nPeace has more than once accused me of misquoting the Bible. When I show that I did not he never admits that his accusation is wrong. You simply were not able to read what the Bible actually says since that obviously did not happen in the myth. But again, this is a minor error in the Bible since we all know that Genesis was never meant to be taken literally.

We "all" know? You have already said the fruit in question was a symbolic apple. Something the Bible never said. Yet you maintain it was a symbolic apple, not even just an unnamed fruit but say it's an apple. Symbolic of course.

 

[YoursTrue]

You keep using bogus terms. We have observed evolution on the order of the evolution that separated man from our closest relative. There is no "change in form" in our evolution. You as much as admitted that we are very similar to chimps. We are more like chimps than any other species on the Earth.

There are literally mountains of scientific evidence for evolution. There is none for creationism. Why would you believe a myth? Worse yet why do you believe that God lied?

Most people can tell the difference between an ape and a human.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I understand the points presented but you jump (as many do) from fact (composition of matter) to illogical fantasy conclusions as if they were truth. That is why no one can accurately and positively support the idea that one population survived and slowly or quickly morphed into another with nothing to prove or show for the "in-between" groups (or populations).

Once again you break the Ninth Commandment. If you do not understand the correct action is to ask questions, politely and properly. Do not ask questions with false assumptions built into them.

Once again the change that one would see would be very similar to the changes that one sees in language, only much slower. Could you understand your grandparent's English? Hopefully yes. Can you understand your grandchildren, Hopefully yes. But if your grandkids could talk with your grandparents there might be the beginning of trouble understanding each other.

The creationist "change of kinds" is a strawman. It is a false argument.