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Three days, three nights...

Redemptionsong

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Here's a thought. Is it possible that the period when the sun and moon stood still for 'about a whole day' (Joshua 10:27) could have had an impact on the timing of the passover festival?
 

Ken Brown

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My contention is that Jesus was crucified on the Friday, but that the women did not come to the tomb on the Sunday.

It would be good to have an orthodox Jew look at what I am going to suggest next.

I like to read from the KJV, but I'm aware that like all versions there are some words and expressions that don't exactly capture the original languages, despite the best intentions of the translators. I believe this to be the case with the following passages.

It helps that the translators have let us know that where an italic is used it has been inserted as a word (I have used CAPITALS) that does not exist in the original language, but is included to add sense or meaning.

Matthew 28:1, 'In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first DAY of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.'

Mark 16:2,'And very early in the morning the first DAY of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.'

Luke 24:1,'Now upon the first DAY of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.'

John 20:1, The first DAY of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.'

All four of these passages should not have the word DAY included. Secondly, they should say 'WEEKS' and not 'week'. Why? Because the reference is to the FIRST OF WEEKS - the festival of weeks, the period that follows between the second day of Pesach (Passover) and the first day of Shavuot (Pentecost). These seven times seven weeks are the period when the first fruits of the harvest were collected and presented as an OMER offering in the Temple. That's why today, Jews continue to celebrate the period by counting the days on an OMER CALENDAR!

I'd like an orthodox Jew to confirm this.

Shalom Redemptionsong, to just look at Mark 16:2, you are correct, it is referring to Shavuot (Feast of Weeks) as the word translated "first" should be "one," and the definite article is used so it should be "the one." And the word translated as "day of the week," should be translated, "the Sabbaths," as the definite article is also used and it is the plural form of Sabbath. So it should be rendered, "Very early on THE ONE of THE SABBATHS....," which is clearing referring to the count for Shavuot as the day one in the count to fifty for the seven Sabbaths.

But here is your problem, this day one of the sabbaths was ALSO the FIRST day of the WEEK, as stated in verse 9:

Mk 16:9 Now, when [Yeshua] was risen, early the first [day] of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils.

The word for "first" here is different than in verse 2 and it does mean "first." There is no definite article, and it is the singular form of Sabbath, which should be rendered "first of the sabbath," or "first [day] of the week." And then you have Luke 24:21 which shows that "first day of the week," or "the One of the Sabbaths," was the day the two were walking on the road to Emmaus, and THIS day was leading the third day away. The third day had come and gone, so on that Sunday, the first day of the week, it was leading the third day away from when those things were done:

Lk 24:21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day LEADS (G71-ago) the third day AWAY FROM (G575-apo) these things being done.

That day, the One of the Sabbaths, the first day of the week was leading the third day away. The third day was the weekly Sabbath, and it was at the END of the Sabbath, right at the dawning of the One of the Sabbaths, the first day of the week (Saturday evening) that Yeshua rose from the dead. You see, Yeshua suffered and died on Wednesday, the PREPARATION of the Passover (Jn 19:14) and was placed in the tomb right at sunset as the High Day Sabbath was beginning (Jn 19:31). After this Sabbath, as Mark states in Mark 16:1, the women bought the ingredients for the burial perfumes/ointments, and this would have been on Friday. Then as Luke states in Luke 23:56, after RETURNING, the women PREPARE the spices and ointments, and THEN rested on the weekly Sabbath in obedience to the command. You should really investigate into the time consuming process of making those burial perfumes/ointments in THEIR day.

So Yeshua, from Wednesday at sunset to Sabbath/Saturday at sunset, was three days and three nights in the tomb as He predicted He would be with His Sign. Hope this helps and blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
 
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Redemptionsong

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Thanks for your input, Ken.

I realise that at some point we will have to overlay the Jewish days onto the Pagan days (Monday etc) but can you look at the chart below to see if you agree with the outline given according to the Jewish month. Where would the weekly sabbath occur?


10 Nisan - Jesus' Triumphal Entry; Judas paid 30 pieces of silver for 'the Lamb'.(See Zechariah 11:12)
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper/passover seder?(?), Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder? Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple. Wave offering in the evening.
17 Nisan - third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.

Feel free to copy and correct!
 
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Ken Brown

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Thanks for your input, Ken.

I realise that at some point we will have to overlay the Jewish days onto the Pagan days (Monday etc) but can you look at the chart below to see if you agree with the outline given according to the Jewish month. Where would the weekly sabbath occur?


10 Nisan - Jesus' Triumphal Entry; Judas paid 30 pieces of silver for 'the Lamb'.(See Zechariah 11:12)
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper/passover seder?(?), Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder? Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple. Wave offering in the evening.
17 Nisan - third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.

Feel free to copy and correct!
Shalom Redemptionsong, the weekly Sabbaths were on the 10th and 17th, and the One of the Sabbaths, when the waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits occurred, was on the 18th of Nisan. Within Judaism, there had been a debate as to which Sabbath to start the count to Shavuot, and the High Sabbath (16th) was decided, but if you look into the history, it was a hotly debated subject. Here is a link from a Karaite Jew who has written a very good article about it.

Concerning the eating of the Passover on the night of betrayal, this was not the traditional (15th) eating of the Passover, this was something totally NEW, and was not according to the traditional timeline, but the Disciples in writing about it, viewed and called it The Passover. John's account gives a proper timeline for the traditional time frame of the events (Jn 18:28). Hope this helps, and Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
 

Ken Brown

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Ken
Why is my thurday eve through sunday morning incorrect?
Shalom disciple, it is a matter of needing a full day BETWEEN the High Day Sabbath (Wednesday sunset thru Thursday sunset), and the weekly Sabbath (Friday sunset thru Saturday sunset) for the women to buy and prepare the spices and ointments. Notice that Luke says, "they RETURNED," and this took some time for them to return to where they had come from, and THEN they prepared the spices and ointments. If it was Thursday at sunset that the High Day Sabbath was starting, then you have back to back Sabbaths where there is no time for the preparation of the spices and ointments, especially considering that Mark states they bought the ingredients AFTER the Sabbath, the ONLY conclusion is that there was a full day (Friday) between the Sabbaths. Hope this helps, and Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
 

Adstar

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Adstar,
This is why I am coming to the conclusion that there must have been TWO passover days, both of them legitimate.

I believe there was only one legitimate passover day and that most of the Jews at the time where just getting it wrong. Jesus and His disciples got it right. They had their passover meal at the very beggining of Nisan 14 as the Torah instructed. But the Jews of the day where preparing the passover lamb at the end of the day of Nisan 14 and eating it on the Night of Nissan 15. They where doing it a day late.


What is noticeable is that there is no mention of the paschal sacrifice before the Last Supper. Even during the meal there is no mention of meat, only unleavened bread and wine. Am I correct?

A reasonable conclusion. But it does not say there was Not a sacrifice for the meal either. But again maybe Jesus Himself was the sacrifice for that years passover and thus did not need an unblemished lamb for the last supper???



Jesus is also called 'our passover [sacrifice]' in 1 Corinthians 5:7. This means his death was a passover SACRIFICE, and occurred on the day of preparation to fulfil the law. Now the sacrifice does not occur after the feast! There must have been another feast after the crucifixion, which was the evening of 15 Nisan.

I don't know why you think like this? The 15th was the first day of the 7 days of unleavened bread. Yes they had to eat unleavened bread on the passover on the 14th also but this passover was not the start of the 7 days of unleavened bread festival. Jesus died as the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world on the passover the 14th. So he had the last supper and died on the same day.. The 14th. No need for two days.
 

Adstar

Active Member
Thanks for your input, Ken.

I realise that at some point we will have to overlay the Jewish days onto the Pagan days (Monday etc) but can you look at the chart below to see if you agree with the outline given according to the Jewish month. Where would the weekly sabbath occur?


10 Nisan - Jesus' Triumphal Entry; Judas paid 30 pieces of silver for 'the Lamb'.(See Zechariah 11:12)
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper/passover seder?(?), Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder? Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple. Wave offering in the evening.
17 Nisan - third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.

Feel free to copy and correct!

Matthew 28
1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.


The 17th was the weekly Sabbath day. Friday night --- saturday night. The woman who where Jews could not do any work on the sabbath 17th they went to the tomb of Jesus at the end of the sabbath day so as to be able to anoint Jesus body on the first day of the Jewish week the 18th of Nisan This happened near sunset on Saturday night.. The confusion comes when people read Matthew 18 and see the word Dawn and think that it must mean they went there on Sunday morning. But the word Dawn only means the begging of that first day of the week. The beginning of the Jewish first day of the week was at sunset Saturday at the end of the 17th weekly sabbath day.



Think of the word Dawn as being used for example as dawn of time or the dawn of the space race or the dawn of civilization. The word Dawn is not always used to denote sunrise.


So your point
17 Nisan - third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
Should read:
17th of Nissan the weekly sabbath the third day of Unleavend bread , Woman find the tomb empty at sunset as Nisan 18 was about to begin.
 
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Redemptionsong

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OK, let's have a look at what we have so far, adding the weekly sabbaths.

10 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath - Jesus' Triumphal Entry
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper; Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder. Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple.
17 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath- third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.

As you say, Ken, this would nicely marry up the Sunday morning with the first (day) of weeks, according to the rabbinic interpretation. It would also suggest that Wednesday was the day of the crucifixion.

Are there any problems with this?

The Last Supper, according to this outline, is not a passover seder. It's a passover supper (preparation meal) without the paschal sacrifice. It may have been something entirely NEW, as you suggest. My only concern with that explanation is that the disciples show no sign of surprise or puzzlement at eating such an unusual meal.
 
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Redemptionsong

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Adstar, in Luke 24:1 it says that they arrived 'very early in the morning' - no mention of 'dawn'. I think that this confirms the view that Matthew 28:1 must be referring to the first light of the morning.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
For a while I was having a problem with the HOUR given by John for the crucifixion.

In John 19:14 it says it was the 'sixth hour', whereas all the other gospel writers say that it was the 'third hour'. The answer to this is found in two different methods of calculating the time of day, both in use by the gospel writers. In John 19:14, the hours are determined FROM MIDNIGHT, whereas the same event in Matthew, Mark and Luke (crucifixion) is calculated from 6am.
 

Adstar

Active Member
Adstar, in Luke 24:1 it says that they arrived 'very early in the morning' - no mention of 'dawn'. I think that this confirms the view that Matthew 28:1 must be referring to the first light of the morning.

Ok think about this. There where a number of visits to the tomb not just one.

We read in the accounts that when the woman told the disciples that Jesus was risen from the dead they did not believe them thinking they where deluded..

Luke 24
p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } 10 It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. 11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not.


So initially the apostles did not believe the woman. Remember the first visit Matthew 28 only two woman visited the tomb. So by the time of Luke 24 10-11 there had already been a number of visits to the tomb. Mary Magdalene taking more woman with her (joanna) to back up her claim, because she was probably being mocked by the Apostles.. Also think about it. maybe Mary herself was doubting her own eyes and needed to go back with more people to convince herself she had not gone mad.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Adstar,
I have a problem with the idea that there was more than one visit to the sepulchre.

The fact that different gospels only give part of the whole account is because they each reflect an aspect of the person of Christ (King; Servant of God; Son of Man; Son of God). To gain the overall picture, I believe we are left to harmonise the accounts.

Matthew only refers to two of the women, but that does not necessarily exclude the others. What is more significant in the Matthew passage, is that the resurrection is recorded as having taken place when they arrive at the tomb.

So, are you saying that the women came as it dawned towards the 16 Nisan or towards the 18 Nisan? These are the two days that follow a sabbath (weekly or high holy).

If it's towards the end of the 16 Nisan then Jesus was in the tomb for no more than three days and two nights.

If it was towards the end of 17 Nisan then it was a total of four days and three nights.

Either way the total does not fit with the sign of Jonah.

10 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath - Jesus' Triumphal Entry
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper; Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder. Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple.
17 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath- third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
For a while I was having a problem with the HOUR given by John for the crucifixion.

In John 19:14 it says it was the 'sixth hour', whereas all the other gospel writers say that it was the 'third hour'. The answer to this is found in two different methods of calculating the time of day, both in use by the gospel writers. In John 19:14, the hours are determined FROM MIDNIGHT, whereas the same event in Matthew, Mark and Luke (crucifixion) is calculated from 6am.
Fun fact: in Roman timekeeping, midday was the ninth hour. This is how we get the word "noon" for midday: from the Latin for "ninth" (nonus).
 

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
OK, let's have a look at what we have so far, adding the weekly sabbaths.

10 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath - Jesus' Triumphal Entry
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper; Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder. Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple.
17 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath- third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.

As you say, Ken, this would nicely marry up the Sunday morning with the first (day) of weeks, according to the rabbinic interpretation. It would also suggest that Wednesday was the day of the crucifixion.

Are there any problems with this?

The Last Supper, according to this outline, is not a passover seder. It's a passover supper (preparation meal) without the paschal sacrifice. It may have been something entirely NEW, as you suggest. My only concern with that explanation is that the disciples show no sign of surprise or puzzlement at eating such an unusual meal.(Look at Mark 9:32)
Shalom Redemptionsong, you are correct in that what they ate was not the Passover seder, and I believe you have already mentioned that Yeshua's slaughter was the fulfillment of the WHEN the lambs were to be slaughtered (ON the 14th). The eating of the meal on the night of His betrayal was something totally new, not according to the fulfillment of the Torah.

One other thing to mention. Did you go to the link for showing that the counting should start from the WEEKLY Sabbath, and not from the High Day Sabbath? This would make the 18th of Nisan as the One of the Sabbaths. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Hi Ken,
I did read the link (thank you), but I believe that the traditional rabbinic explanation is the correct one. Interestingly, Bible Student proposed a similar difference of interpretation between the Karaites and the rabbis on the issue of what was meant by 'between the evenings'. Again, I agreed with what the rabbis say.

Let's not forget that the Karaites were an eighth century sect, they did not have the tradition and understanding of the rabbis.

Having the gathering of the firstfruits on 16 Nisan (with the wave offering 'in the evening' ie 17 Nisan), we have the fulfilment of the law that Jesus was the firstfruits of the harvest at the time of his resurrection from the dead. This would not be the case if it were the 18 Nisan.

The first of Weeks, as counted on the omer calendar, is the day following a sabbath (holy convocation). In this case, however it would be 16 Nisan, not the 18 Nisan.

The days following, up to the feast of Pentecost would be:
22 Nisan 6
23 Nisan 7
24 Nisan 8
25 Nisan 9
26 Nisan 10
27 Nisan 11
28 Nisan 12 Sabbath
29 Nisan 13
30 Nisan 14
Month of Jyar - 29 days
1 Jyar 15
2 Jyar 16
3 Jyar 17
4 Jyar 18
5 Jyar 19 Sabbath
6 Jyar 20
7 Jyar 21
8 Jyar 22
9 Jyar 23
10 Jyar 24
11 Jyar 25
12 Jyar 26 Sabbath
13 Jyar 27
14 Jyar 28
15 Jyar 29
16 Jyar 30
17 Jyar 31
18 Jyar 32
18 Jyar 33 Sabbath
19 Jyar 34
20 Jyar 35
21 Jyar 36
22 Jyar 37
23 Jyar 38
24 Jyar 39
25 Jyar 40 (Ascension) Sabbath
26 Jyar 41
27 Jyar 42
28 Jyar 43
29 Jyar 44

1 Sivan 45
2 Sivan 46
3 Sivan 47 Sabbath
4 Sivan 48
5 Sivan 49
6 Sivan 50 days (Pentecost) High Holy Day.
 

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
Hi Ken,
I did read the link (thank you), but I believe that the traditional rabbinic explanation is the correct one. Interestingly, Bible Student proposed a similar difference of interpretation between the Karaites and the rabbis on the issue of what was meant by 'between the evenings'. Again, I agreed with what the rabbis say.

Let's not forget that the Karaites were an eighth century sect, they did not have the tradition and understanding of the rabbis.

Having the gathering of the firstfruits on 16 Nisan (with the wave offering 'in the evening' ie 17 Nisan), we have the fulfilment of the law that Jesus was the firstfruits of the harvest at the time of his resurrection from the dead. This would not be the case if it were the 18 Nisan.

The first of Weeks, as counted on the omer calendar, is the day following a sabbath (holy convocation). In this case, however it would be 16 Nisan, not the 18 Nisan.

The days following, up to the feast of Pentecost would be:
22 Nisan 6
23 Nisan 7
24 Nisan 8
25 Nisan 9
26 Nisan 10
27 Nisan 11
28 Nisan 12 Sabbath
29 Nisan 13
30 Nisan 14
Month of Jyar - 29 days
1 Jyar 15
2 Jyar 16
3 Jyar 17
4 Jyar 18
5 Jyar 19 Sabbath
6 Jyar 20
7 Jyar 21
8 Jyar 22
9 Jyar 23
10 Jyar 24
11 Jyar 25
12 Jyar 26 Sabbath
13 Jyar 27
14 Jyar 28
15 Jyar 29
16 Jyar 30
17 Jyar 31
18 Jyar 32
18 Jyar 33 Sabbath
19 Jyar 34
20 Jyar 35
21 Jyar 36
22 Jyar 37
23 Jyar 38
24 Jyar 39
25 Jyar 40 (Ascension) Sabbath
26 Jyar 41
27 Jyar 42
28 Jyar 43
29 Jyar 44

1 Sivan 45
2 Sivan 46
3 Sivan 47 Sabbath
4 Sivan 48
5 Sivan 49
6 Sivan 50 days (Pentecost) High Holy Day.
Shalom Redemptionsong, you should consider that the WAVING of the Firstfruits was on the morrow AFTER the Sabbath. My belief is that the Sabbath was on the 17th, so then the waving must occur on the 18th. When Yeshua said, "Touch Me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father," I believe that to be a direct reference to His being WAVED before the Father as the FIRST One who was resurrected or harvested unto Eternal Life, and this occurred on the 18th, not the 16th. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew/Ken.
 

Adstar

Active Member
Adstar,
I have a problem with the idea that there was more than one visit to the sepulchre.

The fact that different gospels only give part of the whole account is because they each reflect an aspect of the person of Christ (King; Servant of God; Son of Man; Son of God). To gain the overall picture, I believe we are left to harmonise the accounts.

Matthew only refers to two of the women, but that does not necessarily exclude the others. What is more significant in the Matthew passage, is that the resurrection is recorded as having taken place when they arrive at the tomb.

So, are you saying that the women came as it dawned towards the 16 Nisan or towards the 18 Nisan? These are the two days that follow a sabbath (weekly or high holy).

If it's towards the end of the 16 Nisan then Jesus was in the tomb for no more than three days and two nights.

If it was towards the end of 17 Nisan then it was a total of four days and three nights.

Either way the total does not fit with the sign of Jonah.

10 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath - Jesus' Triumphal Entry
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper; Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder. Sabbath (High Holy day)
16 Nisan - First of weeks. Omer of barley taken to the Temple.
17 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath- third day of Unleavened Bread, Women find the tomb empty early in the morning.
18 Nisan - fourth day of Unleavened Bread
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation.

Sorry i believe you have your calculations out.

Jesus was placed in the tomb in the late afternoon just before sunset the start of the day nisan 15th and was reasurected just before sundown the start of the 18th of Nisan that was the first day of the week..

So 15th night and day
16th Night and day
17th Night and day.

So 3, 24 hour periods 3 nights and 3 days.. in the earth, the Sign of Jonah..
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Hello again! This new format looks interesting.

Yes, I have made some mistakes! Initially, I realised that the weekly Sabbaths were in the wrong place! I started them from the 21st and not the 24th Nisan.

I was also wrong about Moses not celebrating the Passover in the wilderness. I'll share more about this later.

I'll look at these, and the dates again. Back soon.
 

Redemptionsong

Well-Known Member
Ken, Adstar,
If that's correct and you have:
15 Nisan - night and day
16 Nisan - night and day
17 Nisan - night and day
PART of a day is not to count. But that does give three whole days and three whole nights.
And with 17 Nisan as the weekly sabbath, you think the firstfruits is counted from the weekly sabbath and not the holy convocation. So counting the omer starts on the day following the sabbath. That's 7 sabbaths +1 day for calculating Pentecost.


10 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath - Jesus' Triumphal Entry
11 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
12 Nisan - Jesus in the Temple
13 Nisan - Jesus sends two disciples to 'make ready the passover'
14 Nisan - Last Supper; Gethsemane, Trial, Crucifixion (Jesus dead at 3pm).
15 Nisan - Feast of Unleavened bread. Seder.(High Holy day)
16 Nisan - Second day of Feast of Unleavened Bread

17 Nisan; Weekly Sabbath - third day of Unleavened Bread. First fruit collected. Omer counted.
18 Nisan - Wave in the evening. Resurrection
19 Nisan - fifth day of Unleavened Bread
20 Nisan - sixth day of Unleavened Bread
21 Nisan - seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Holy Convocation
22 Nisan
23 Nisan

24 Nisan Weekly Sabbath1- 30 Nisan

1 Jyar Weekly Sabbath 2 - 7 Jyar

8 Jyar Weekly Sabbath 3 - 14 Jyar

15 Jyar Weekly Sabbath 4 - 20 Jyar

21 Jyar Weekly Sabbath
22 Jyar
23 Jyar
24 Jyar
25 Jyar (Ascension) 40 days
26 Jyar
27 Jyar

28 Jyar Weekly Sabbath 6 - 5 Sivan

6 Sivan Weekly Sabbath 7
7 Sivan Pentecost

Is this the framework that we can use as a template?
 
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