Three Move Checkmate: 666

[three-sixteen]

Three Move Checkmate: 666



hi fellow Believers and God Bless you,

John chapter six is one of my very favorite chapters. Recently i have discovered even more how this chapter makes very clear that the Body and Blood are real, not symbolic.

In Chess, there is a three-move checkmate. I believe God showed me a three move checkmate to prove that the idea of the Body and Blood being only symbolic is from the spirit of Antichrist.

Here it goes:

1st Move (King pawn to e4). Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Note: Most Bible students believe that the Beast, Antichrist, and the lawless one are all the same person, or at least part of the same organization and working together. Hence, the number 666 can be associated with the Beast, the lawless one, the Antichrist, and the spirit of Antichrist.

2nd Move (Queen to g4). In the Douay Rheims, and the King James (my two favorite translations) John 4:3 is worded like this:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist"

I repeat the phrase "IS COME IN THE FLESH." In the Catholic Church, we believe that EVERY DAY during Holy Mass, Jesus comes in the flesh in Holy Communion. The Eucharist is Jesus' Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, according to our teachings. Jesus Christ came 2000 years ago in the flesh, but also comes every day in the flesh in this most Blessed Sacrament. To deny this, according to this passage of Scripture, is part of the spirit of Antichrist--just like denying He EVER came in the flesh would be from the spirit of Antichrist.

Now, I'm not saying anyone who denies Jesus is come in the flesh during Holy Communion IS the Antichrist--no, I'm just saying that this idea COMES from the spirit of Antichrist, whether the person or church realizes it or not. Is the person who may be deceived by the spirit of Antichrist in this case still saved? OF COURSE! But they are missing the Body and Blood, the precious Gift that Jesus gave on His last night with His disciples.

3rd Move (Queen to g6, CHECKMATE). John 6:66 "After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him."

Yes, thats right John 6:66, the only 666 in the New Testament. Now, why did these disciples walk away from Jesus? Its very clear it was because they didnt understand / couldn't handle the teaching of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. Earlier, in verse 52, the Jews couldn't understand nor accept this teaching. John 6:52 "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" How did Jesus respond? By admitting that He was only speaking symbolically? NO! He next repeats His strong literal meaning for FOUR VERSES IN A ROW!

John 6:53-56 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

A bit later, in verse 60, His disciples begin to be perturbed. John 6:60 "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" Does Jesus put them at ease, does He admit that they have understood Him too literally? NO! He only asks if this teaching has offended them--which it had.

Finally in verse 66, many of His disciples actually left Him because of His teaching. John 666 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." Did Jesus stop them, "NO WAIT! I was only speaking SYMBOLICALLY!!" Again, no. He knew they had understood Him correctly. If this was just a simple misunderstanding, if the disciples had taken literally a symbolism, do you think Jesus would have let it cost them their souls by walking away from their faith?!?!

In summary, the fact that the Protestants have walked away from the teaching of the real Body and real Blood, is no small thing to God. "Oh well, they lost my Body and Blood, no big deal." NO!!! To God it is a very big deal! It is a huge blow to the church in general, the loss and theft of one of the greatest, if not THE greatest gift Christ gave to the church besides the HOLY SPIRIT. In fact, God wants us to know that the disciples who rebelled against this teaching were not using good sense, but were actually being influenced by the spirit of Antichrist, the Beast, 666.

Amen.

 

[jeffrey]

Three Move Checkmate: 666



hi fellow Believers and God Bless you,

John chapter six is one of my very favorite chapters. Recently i have discovered even more how this chapter makes very clear that the Body and Blood are real, not symbolic.

In Chess, there is a three-move checkmate. I believe God showed me a three move checkmate to prove that the idea of the Body and Blood being only symbolic is from the spirit of Antichrist.

Here it goes:

1st Move (King pawn to e4). Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Note: Most Bible students believe that the Beast, Antichrist, and the lawless one are all the same person, or at least part of the same organization and working together. Hence, the number 666 can be associated with the Beast, the lawless one, the Antichrist, and the spirit of Antichrist.

2nd Move (Queen to g4). In the Douay Rheims, and the King James (my two favorite translations) John 4:3 is worded like this:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist"

I repeat the phrase "IS COME IN THE FLESH." In the Catholic Church, we believe that EVERY DAY during Holy Mass, Jesus comes in the flesh in Holy Communion. The Eucharist is Jesus' Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, according to our teachings. Jesus Christ came 2000 years ago in the flesh, but also comes every day in the flesh in this most Blessed Sacrament. To deny this, according to this passage of Scripture, is part of the spirit of Antichrist--just like denying He EVER came in the flesh would be from the spirit of Antichrist.

Now, I'm not saying anyone who denies Jesus is come in the flesh during Holy Communion IS the Antichrist--no, I'm just saying that this idea COMES from the spirit of Antichrist, whether the person or church realizes it or not. Is the person who may be deceived by the spirit of Antichrist in this case still saved? OF COURSE! But they are missing the Body and Blood, the precious Gift that Jesus gave on His last night with His disciples.

3rd Move (Queen to g6, CHECKMATE). John 6:66 "After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him."

Yes, thats right John 6:66, the only 666 in the New Testament. Now, why did these disciples walk away from Jesus? Its very clear it was because they didnt understand / couldn't handle the teaching of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. Earlier, in verse 52, the Jews couldn't understand nor accept this teaching. John 6:52 "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" How did Jesus respond? By admitting that He was only speaking symbolically? NO! He next repeats His strong literal meaning for FOUR VERSES IN A ROW!

John 6:53-56 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

A bit later, in verse 60, His disciples begin to be perturbed. John 6:60 "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" Does Jesus put them at ease, does He admit that they have understood Him too literally? NO! He only asks if this teaching has offended them--which it had.

Finally in verse 66, many of His disciples actually left Him because of His teaching. John 666 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." Did Jesus stop them, "NO WAIT! I was only speaking SYMBOLICALLY!!" Again, no. He knew they had understood Him correctly. If this was just a simple misunderstanding, if the disciples had taken literally a symbolism, do you think Jesus would have let it cost them their souls by walking away from their faith?!?!

In summary, the fact that the Protestants have walked away from the teaching of the real Body and real Blood, is no small thing to God. "Oh well, they lost my Body and Blood, no big deal." NO!!! To God it is a very big deal! It is a huge blow to the church in general, the loss and theft of one of the greatest, if not THE greatest gift Christ gave to the church besides the HOLY SPIRIT. In fact, God wants us to know that the disciples who rebelled against this teaching were not using good sense, but were actually being influenced by the spirit of Antichrist, the Beast, 666.

Amen.

Oookay.. And welcome to the forums!

 

[Popeyesays]

So what you are saying is that the priest actually turns the bread and wine into flesh and blood?

To me, that escapes reason, and enters into superstition. It is after all, a practice of earlier religions than Christianity - some symbolically some literal.

Jesus is the "Bread come down from heaven", so eating bread in remembrance is a fine symbolic practice.

"Question: Should children be allowed to read the higher criticism?
'Abdu'l-Bahá: They should first be taught the reality of religion as a foundation. For instance, in the Catholic Church the child is taught that through some act of the priest the bread and wine of the sacrament become the flesh and blood of Jesus Christ. The mind cannot accept this. The child must be taught that this transformation is symbolical of the truth that Christ is the food from heaven, the eating of which produces eternal life
(Abdu'l-Baha, The Promulgation of Universal Peace, p. 213)

Regards,
Scott

 

[SoliDeoGloria]

1st Move (King pawn to e4). Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

Note: Most Bible students believe that the Beast, Antichrist, and the lawless one are all the same person, or at least part of the same organization and working together. Hence, the number 666 can be associated with the Beast, the lawless one, the Antichrist, and the spirit of Antichrist.

2nd Move (Queen to g4). In the Douay Rheims, and the King James (my two favorite translations) John 4:3 is worded like this:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist"

I repeat the phrase "IS COME IN THE FLESH." In the Catholic Church, we believe that EVERY DAY during Holy Mass, Jesus comes in the flesh in Holy Communion. The Eucharist is Jesus' Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, according to our teachings. Jesus Christ came 2000 years ago in the flesh, but also comes every day in the flesh in this most Blessed Sacrament. To deny this, according to this passage of Scripture, is part of the spirit of Antichrist--just like denying He EVER came in the flesh would be from the spirit of Antichrist.

Now, I'm not saying anyone who denies Jesus is come in the flesh during Holy Communion IS the Antichrist--no, I'm just saying that this idea COMES from the spirit of Antichrist, whether the person or church realizes it or not. Is the person who may be deceived by the spirit of Antichrist in this case still saved? OF COURSE! But they are missing the Body and Blood, the precious Gift that Jesus gave on His last night with His disciples.

3rd Move (Queen to g6, CHECKMATE). John 6:66 "After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him."

Yes, thats right John 6:66, the only 666 in the New Testament. Now, why did these disciples walk away from Jesus? Its very clear it was because they didnt understand / couldn't handle the teaching of eating His flesh and drinking His blood. Earlier, in verse 52, the Jews couldn't understand nor accept this teaching. John 6:52 "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" How did Jesus respond? By admitting that He was only speaking symbolically? NO! He next repeats His strong literal meaning for FOUR VERSES IN A ROW!

John 6:53-56 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

A bit later, in verse 60, His disciples begin to be perturbed. John 6:60 "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" Does Jesus put them at ease, does He admit that they have understood Him too literally? NO! He only asks if this teaching has offended them--which it had.

Finally in verse 66, many of His disciples actually left Him because of His teaching. John 666 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." Did Jesus stop them, "NO WAIT! I was only speaking SYMBOLICALLY!!" Again, no. He knew they had understood Him correctly. If this was just a simple misunderstanding, if the disciples had taken literally a symbolism, do you think Jesus would have let it cost them their souls by walking away from their faith?!?!

In summary, the fact that the Protestants have walked away from the teaching of the real Body and real Blood, is no small thing to God. "Oh well, they lost my Body and Blood, no big deal." NO!!! To God it is a very big deal! It is a huge blow to the church in general, the loss and theft of one of the greatest, if not THE greatest gift Christ gave to the church besides the HOLY SPIRIT. In fact, God wants us to know that the disciples who rebelled against this teaching were not using good sense, but were actually being influenced by the spirit of Antichrist, the Beast, 666.

Oh boy, How many directions can I go with this one. First off I would like to qualify that I am no expert in eschatology nor do I even try to be with all the different interpretations of end-time Biblical scripture.

What I first find interesting is the emphasis of the KJV which tempts me to get into a KJV only discussion, but I am not yet sure if that is the possition that is taken by the OP.

In a nutshell, what I am getting from the OP is that Protestantism has followed the way of the antichrist by way of denying that the Bread and Wine shared in the Holy Communion are the actual physical body and blood of Jesus Christ. Now, while stating that this is a pretty major offense, they try to also state that those who follow this "spirit of the antichrist" can still be saved while following this spirit:areyoucra .

Following the OP's logic, we may as well also call everything in the OT that was meant as a representation of Holy things as the real deal. Take for instance, the Tabernacle and Temple would literally be God's dwelling place therefore leaving God without omnipressence (Ps. 139).

This almost reminds me of a joke that goes "One verse in the Bible states 'Judas hung himself' and another states 'so should you' and another states 'so do it now'". Basically, the exegesis of the OP takes an excessive amount of liberality with superimpossing meaning into various scriptures to fit their belief and make some pretty dangerous conclusions based on this belief. It is a very dangerous practice indeed.

Sincerely,
SoliDeoGloria

 

[BruceDLimber]

Nope.

The 666 points to 666 years after Christ's birth and the corruption of Islam by the Umayyads.

Nothing whatever to do with the antichrist, who as John said was 1) a former Christian and 2) alive at the time of John himself.

Peace,

Bruce

 

[Brother Jeffrey]

Interesting that John should point to the Gospel of John, chapt. 6, verse 66. Johns gospel was not numbered at the time it was written. might I point out some other "discoveries of 666".
When english alphabet is given the value of six, a=6 b=12 c=18 etc. up to z=156 and we take certain words like CALCULATION, the sum is 666. Interesting since John says "calculate his number...". Some other words and phrases are...
...COMPUTER, NEW YORK, A SKYJACKING, ARAB SUICIDES...
consider that the long time numericals for hebrew letters (gematria) have a similarly chilling "secret". The hebrew "vav", one of the letters of G-d's Name (be He blessed), has a numerical value of six. "vav" is sometimes transliterated as "waw" and it's equivalent in english is the letter "w". So what does "www" look like numerically. Yes it could be 18, but then again it could be something else, nu?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

616

lol

 

[Brother Jeffrey]

616

lol

The numerical value for the hebrew Character "waw" or "vav" is indeed 616. The english equivalent of this character is "w".

 

[Brother Jeffrey]

The numerical value for the hebrew Character "waw" or "vav" is indeed 616. The english equivalent of this character is "w".

"W" = 6; "A" = 1, "W" =6

 

[Halcyon]

The theory i heard was that the passages referring to the antichrist were written during the reign of Nero, when thousands of Christians were slain. Nero was a literal antichrist, we was against all things Christian and tried to exterminate them.

The coming of the antichrist is a prophecy of the second coming of Nero, returning to life after his suicide. They feared him that much.

The number 666 is even the numerical value of Nero's full name as Emperor.

 

[Ody]

Well welcome to RF

 

[Scott1]

John chapter six is one of my very favorite chapters. Recently i have discovered even more how this chapter makes very clear that the Body and Blood are real, not symbolic.

Good stuff.... the Christian faith was founded on this ....so I agree with you even though I don't know how to play chess!

S

 

[Mykola]

Three Move Checkmate: 666
hi fellow Believers and God Bless you,

John chapter six is one of my very favorite chapters. Recently i have discovered even more how this chapter makes very clear that the Body and Blood are real, not symbolic.

I reckon you are talking about a Catholic belief that during the Catholic Mass bread and wine are turned into real Blood and Body of Jesus...

In Chess, there is a three-move checkmate. I believe God showed me a three move checkmate to prove that the idea of the Body and Blood being only symbolic is from the spirit of Antichrist.

Hate to disappoint you, friend...
Let's dig in.

Here it goes:

1st Move (King pawn to e4). Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666."

That was said about Nero, who is dead and buried.

Note: Most Bible students believe that the Beast, Antichrist, and the lawless one are all the same person, or at least part of the same organization and working together. Hence, the number 666 can be associated with the Beast, the lawless one, the Antichrist, and the spirit of Antichrist.

The question is - is there only one Antichrist?
The answer is given by you, by the way
Let's see below...

2nd Move (Queen to g4). In the Douay Rheims, and the King James (my two favorite translations) John 4:3 is worded like this:

"And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist"

There are a lot of antichrists, aren't there? Even from this verse only...

I repeat the phrase "IS COME IN THE FLESH." In the Catholic Church, we believe that EVERY DAY during Holy Mass, Jesus comes in the flesh in Holy Communion. The Eucharist is Jesus' Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, according to our teachings. Jesus Christ came 2000 years ago in the flesh, but also comes every day in the flesh in this most Blessed Sacrament.

To deny this, according to this passage of Scripture, is part of the spirit of Antichrist--just like denying He EVER came in the flesh would be from the spirit of Antichrist.

No, it is not the case.
You cannot logically conclude one from another.

In Russia they have arrested some guy who asserted he was "Jesus Christ ant triune God", Grigoriy Grabovoy. Authorities charge him with fraud.
Using your logic he could say that "I, Grigoriy Grabovoy, is Jesus who came in flesh and all who doesn't believe that is antichrist". Would be it be relevant?

Now, I'm not saying anyone who denies Jesus is come in the flesh during Holy Communion IS the Antichrist--no, I'm just saying that this idea COMES from the spirit of Antichrist, whether the person or church realizes it or not.

It is free world, you can say what you want. It's okay

Is the person who may be deceived by the spirit of Antichrist in this case still saved? OF COURSE! But they are missing the Body and Blood, the precious Gift that Jesus gave on His last night with His disciples.

Excuse me, friend - but either give any support to such an assertons or don't decide who is saved just by yourself...

3rd Move (Queen to g6, CHECKMATE). John 6:66 "After this many of his disciples went back; and walked no more with him."

Very funny.
D'you think John put those numbers there?
How can anyone base any biblical ideas on the way numbering of the verses.
That has been done to make referencing easy - not just to support any wild ideas...

Yes, thats right John 6:66, the only 666 in the New Testament.

Those who don't know much about the Bible, will surely be impressed...

Now, why did these disciples walk away from Jesus? Its very clear it was because they didnt understand / couldn't handle the teaching of eating His flesh and drinking His blood.

It is clear from the text and not a discovery, but thank you anyway

Earlier, in verse 52, the Jews couldn't understand nor accept this teaching. John 6:52 "The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?" How did Jesus respond? By admitting that He was only speaking symbolically? NO! He next repeats His strong literal meaning for FOUR VERSES IN A ROW!

No, He doesn't.
That's not very good exegesis at all. Please, try not not read anything in the bible verses, but read it out...

John 6:53-56 "Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him."

Amen.

A bit later, in verse 60, His disciples begin to be perturbed. John 6:60 "Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?" Does Jesus put them at ease, does He admit that they have understood Him too literally? NO! He only asks if this teaching has offended them--which it had.

Finally in verse 66, many of His disciples actually left Him because of His teaching. John 666 "From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him." Did Jesus stop them, "NO WAIT! I was only speaking SYMBOLICALLY!!" Again, no.

Had He to? Had He stop them by doing anything like that?
That's ridiculous and grievous at the same time when people just expect something to be in the Bible, than force it there just not to bre disappointed...

He knew they had understood Him correctly.

Yes, but not in your meaning of understanding...

If this was just a simple misunderstanding, if the disciples had taken literally a symbolism, do you think Jesus would have let it cost them their souls by walking away from their faith?!?!

The same problem... "Literally vs. symbolically" is not a correct problem here.

In summary, the fact that the Protestants have walked away from the teaching of the real Body and real Blood, is no small thing to God. "Oh well, they lost my Body and Blood, no big deal." NO!!! To God it is a very big deal! It is a huge blow to the church in general, the loss and theft of one of the greatest, if not THE greatest gift Christ gave to the church besides the HOLY SPIRIT.

Unsupported assertions are not small things, friend.

In fact, God wants us to know that the disciples who rebelled against this teaching were not using good sense, but were actually being influenced by the spirit of Antichrist, the Beast, 666.

In summary...

Excuse me, but you exegetic numerology or numerologic exegesis doesn't hold water at all.

...But I would appreciate other Catholics opinion on your theory.