Time is an Illusion

[Regiomontanus]

Nothing is cyclic.... not even the Cosmos !

Many cosmologists today are working hard to show it (universe) is exactly that!

Peace

 

[Thief]

Time is not a measurement.
Seconds and hours and days are measurements.
The oscillations in Cesium atoms is a measurement.
Space is not a measurement; Feet and meters and yards and miles are measurements.

The thing that makes measurements meaningful is a frame of reference. Thus an object within Space-Time can appear to have different measurements from different frames of reference.

Something that is often unclear is the nature of the observer. What is 'now'?
You can look back and say, 'that moment was'. You cannot look back and say, 'that moment is'. For, if that moment is 'now' and this moment is 'now', then because everything is 'now', nothing is 'now'.

strange thing.....you make a declaration in your opening line
and then demonstrate reason that negates it

we measure distance.....the units are a cognitive device
we measure movement against the movement of something else (a clock)
time is a quotient
numbers.....
in your head

all motion is relative.....we do measurement to get a grip on the reality of it

 

[Willamena]

Time is not a measurement.
Seconds and hours and days are measurements.
The oscillations in Cesium atoms is a measurement.
Space is not a measurement; Feet and meters and yards and miles are measurements.

The thing that makes measurements meaningful is a frame of reference. Thus an object within Space-Time can appear to have different measurements from different frames of reference.

Something that is often unclear is the nature of the observer. What is 'now'?
You can look back and say, 'that moment was'. You cannot look back and say, 'that moment is'. For, if that moment is 'now' and this moment is 'now', then because everything is 'now', nothing is 'now'.

What is the frame of reference for seconds, hours, days, feet, meters, and yards? (the last two being out of order, by the way)

If you're declaring the observer unclear then you're declaring no measurement clear.

What?

 

[TheBannerofHomuraAkemi]

or relative. Thus the present always exists for every observer and the future/past is always in relation to some otherness?

Time is a man made construct. Just like this forums site were on is a man made construct. But they have one thing in common. None of it matters.

 

[ChristineM]

where is my mind? way out in the water. see it swimmin'


The operation effectively reverses the arrow of time, at least in this isolated system. “The thermodynamic arrow of time relies on the notion that the entropy of a closed system can only increase or remain constant, but never decrease,” Micadei said. “By creating in the lab an isolated system where the entropy decreases, in the system the arrow of time should point to the opposite direction.”The results show that “the arrow of time is not an absolute concept; it strongly depends on the choice of initial conditions — so it’s relative,” Serra said.


But a new experiment shows that, unlike heat dissipating from your coffee cup on a cold day, quantum particles can transfer heat energy away from cold particles and toward hotter ones, a reversal of the second law. If the second law can be reversed in that way, then it’s entirely possible that the arrow of time can be reversed, too.

Why do you always need to move goalposts? The discussion was time, not your mind.

As for the time experiment. Been here before. The experiment does not do what some press hype says on the label. You know this. It is not a naturally occurring phenomenon but a highly specialised, small scale, man made fudge.

 

[Fool]

Why do you always need to move goalposts? The discussion was time, not your mind.

its just a blurb quote from a song. is my mind here in past present, or future present? seems it flows either direction.

As for the time experiment. Been here before. The experiment does not do what some press hype says on the label. You know this. It is not a naturally occurring phenomenon but a highly specialised, small scale, man made fudge.

ChristineM, "Another, related to the last is times arrow, entropy."


man can only repeat what is possible in nature. energy flows to and fro like the ocean

 

[`mud]

Everything that we imagine exists inside some kind of container.
Even the supposed singularity was captured inside of a container,
that nothingness called the `void` of nothingness, total fiction !
There are no proven edges to the Cosmos, especially our Universe.
Everything is moving within the Cosmos, and itself is moving.
There are no containers, there are no `edges`, there are no limits.
The containers are only in our minds, like the limits of time itself !

 

[Regiomontanus]

Everything that we imagine exists inside some kind of container.
Even the supposed singularity was captured inside of a container,
that nothingness called the `void` of nothingness, total fiction !
There are no proven edges to the Cosmos, especially our Universe.
Everything is moving within the Cosmos, and itself is moving.
There are no containers, there are no `edges`, there are no limits.
The containers are only in our minds, like the limits of time itself !

Hello. You have a interesting personal cosmology there.

PeacePeace

 

[Fool]

Everything that we imagine exists inside some kind of container.
Even the supposed singularity was captured inside of a container,
that nothingness called the `void` of nothingness, total fiction !
There are no proven edges to the Cosmos, especially our Universe.
Everything is moving within the Cosmos, and itself is moving.
There are no containers, there are no `edges`, there are no limits.
The containers are only in our minds, like the limits of time itself !

sometimes a nudge here, a push there, a tug and you're in a whole nother place.


he had shaved the unruly beard off that morning. staring at the rock where she'd dug in her fingernails. trying to claw her way back up before she fell into the water that took her. he had been there just months before. thinking he'd step into the flood. the secrets would go with the body. he knew what was coming and he was afraid of it.

later they put up a fence. people aren't allowed to wade in the water there anymore, above the drop below, or sit on the edge.

just a few weeks before a little boy would nudge him a bit from the nightmare. this life is a suicide mission. you either succeed or fail in the mission but no one gets out of it in the form they assumed. sometimes you just have to let go and let life brutally take you where it will. but you can still love yourself through it all. the secrets were delivered.

ignorance is bound to come but woe to them through which it comes.


Look then at his words
and all the writings which have been completed.
Give heed then, you hearers
and you also, the angels and those who have been sent,
and you spirits who have arisen from the dead.
For I am the one who alone exists,
and I have no one who will judge me.
For many are the pleasant forms which exist in numerous sins,
and incontinencies,
and disgraceful passions,
and fleeting pleasures,
which (men) embrace until they become sober
and go up to their resting place.
And they will find me there,
and they will live,
and they will not die again.

 

[BilliardsBall]

or relative. Thus the present always exists for every observer and the future/past is always in relation to some otherness?

I want to reply but I'm lacking time.

Seriously, though, we can conserve time by acquiring eternal life, now IMHO.

 

[jonathan180iq]

Or the present never exists since by the time you are aware of it, it is gone.

This is something that I've been wrestling with for a couple of years now, both from an experiential aspect and scientifically.

 

[Thief]

Everything that we imagine exists inside some kind of container.
Even the supposed singularity was captured inside of a container,
that nothingness called the `void` of nothingness, total fiction !
There are no proven edges to the Cosmos, especially our Universe.
Everything is moving within the Cosmos, and itself is moving.
There are no containers, there are no `edges`, there are no limits.
The containers are only in our minds, like the limits of time itself !

Dude!.....you have become a god!

congradulations!

 

[Theweirdtophat]

What if there is no such thing as illusions, just a different way of seeing reality?

 

[Regiomontanus]

This is something that I've been wrestling with for a couple of years now, both from an experiential aspect and scientifically.

Yes this is a very interesting topic to think about. That book I mention early in this thread is in fact titled 'Now'.

 

[Thief]

What if there is no such thing as illusions, just a different way of seeing reality?

my day dream is better than your day dream....

 

[viole]

Time may be an illusion, but entropy is not. And neither are the limitations of physics.

To say that entropy increses with time (almost all of the time) is a tautology.

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

No one knows. Perhaps no one ever will.

By using “will” you assume the future, and therefore a flow of time, exist.

Ciao

- viole

 

[PureX]

By using “will” you assume the future, and therefore a flow of time, exist.

Ciao

- viole

By using the word "perhaps", I qualified that presumption.

 

[viole]

By using the word "perhaps", I qualified that presumption.

Nice escape

Ciao

- viole

 

[viole]

Hello. You have a interesting personal cosmology there.

PeacePeace

I am not sure it is so personal. It actually makes a lot of sense. If time does not flow, as relativity seems to indicate, then neither the Universe has an age nor the so-called singularity is anything special.

It is just a point of a container. This containes being an eternal and unchanging 4- dimensional block that we call spacetime.

Ciao

- viole