To be burnt in hell.....earthly and organic phenomenon in hell??

[morphesium]

Chapter (4) sūrat l-nisāa (The Women)

Yusuf Ali: Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.

Our body is completely destroyed (usually) after death along with our skins. I guess it is our souls that go to heaven or hell (believing soul, heaven and hell exists). Why does our souls need skin? Does God takes one soul along with the skin? More over what if this person has Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP)?

Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is one or more rare conditions in which a person cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain.
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What I have been thinking is this - why does god has to give us earthly punishments in hell. fire, burning, fresh skin (all physical or earthly found things) in hell (non physical)?

 

[Pegg]

Our body is completely destroyed (usually) after death along with our skins. I guess it is our souls that go to heaven or hell (believing soul, heaven and hell exists). Why does our souls need skin? Does God takes one soul along with the skin? More over what if this person has Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP)?

Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is one or more rare conditions in which a person cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain.
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What I have been thinking is this - why does god has to give us earthly punishments in hell. fire, burning, fresh skin (all physical or earthly found things) in hell (non physical)?

Thats a good question.

Perhaps the answer is to be found in the original meaning of the word soul. In the abrahamic religion, the original meaning is it is a living breathing person or animal.

So that would mean that you are a soul you dont have a soul inside you, rather you are a soul. You can be destroyed by fire and if that happens it means sure death.

And the original meaning of hell is the hole in the ground where you are buried after you die.
So your soul is cast into hell.

 

[ether-ore]

Our body is completely destroyed (usually) after death along with our skins. I guess it is our souls that go to heaven or hell (believing soul, heaven and hell exists). Why does our souls need skin? Does God takes one soul along with the skin? More over what if this person has Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP)?

Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is one or more rare conditions in which a person cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain.
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What I have been thinking is this - why does god has to give us earthly punishments in hell. fire, burning, fresh skin (all physical or earthly found things) in hell (non physical)?

For what it's worth, my understanding of the issue at hand is this: Well, first, I think a definition is in order: The soul is the spirit and the physical body united. Also, the original reference came from the Koran, so what I have to say will be at variance with that in any case. Nonetheless, the atonement of Jesus Christ accomplished two things... overcoming both death and hell (definitions to follow). When we die (physically) our spirits undergo and arraignment of sorts wherein the spirit of the man, if he has not lived according to God's law is bound over for trial (judgment day) in spirit prison where a condition of mental torment akin to burning exists. The spirit of a righteous man is free on his own recognizance to dwell in paradise until the day of judgment. Just prior to judgment day, a resurrection of all men occurs, both the wicked and the righteous. This is the Christ's conquering of death wherein all receive the free gift of having their bodies back again. Hell on the other hand is only avoided by the individual through the atonement 'if' they have repented and kept the commandments of God. Hell is permanent separation from God and the denial of the benefits that go with that.

The only physical burning that I am aware of will occur when Christ comes in His glory. The presence of Christ's glory will set the earth afire and the wicked who are alive at that time will burn with it whereas the righteous will be spared that form of physical death. Again, a general resurrection will take place just prior to judgment day which will come after the thousand years of Christ's reign... the Millennium. During that thousand years, the wicked will be in spirit prison. So, the thing is to repent and live according to God's law.

 

[Nietzsche]

Thats a good question.

Perhaps the answer is to be found in the original meaning of the word soul. In the abrahamic religion, the original meaning is it is a living breathing person or animal.

So that would mean that you are a soul you dont have a soul inside you, rather you are a soul. You can be destroyed by fire and if that happens it means sure death.

And the original meaning of hell is the hole in the ground where you are buried after you die.
So your soul is cast into hell.

I swore that 'soul' was derived from literal 'breath'. I mean, to an ancient goat-herder, the one thing that will assuredly kill anyone is suffocating them. It also lends to the idioms such as 'the breath has gone out of them'.

 

[wizanda]

This is easily answered when you realize here is made from hell; the prophecies of the fire coming are within this world... Not the next.

Yeshua called this world Gehenna, and that is the name for hell in both Islam and Judaism; yet they're all like, "It's not us.... We're all saints, it must be them below us, it refers to."

 

[morphesium]

Thats a good question.

Perhaps the answer is to be found in the original meaning of the word soul. In the abrahamic religion, the original meaning is it is a living breathing person or animal.

So that would mean that you are a soul you dont have a soul inside you, rather you are a soul. You can be destroyed by fire and if that happens it means sure death.

And the original meaning of hell is the hole in the ground where you are buried after you die.
So your soul is cast into hell.

Thank you for the information.

 

[Tumah]

I swore that 'soul' was derived from literal 'breath'. I mean, to an ancient goat-herder, the one thing that will assuredly kill anyone is suffocating them. It also lends to the idioms such as 'the breath has gone out of them'.

It does. Pegg is just reading his religious views into the Bible.

 

[Pegg]

It does. Pegg is just reading his religious views into the Bible.

You too are mixing up spirit and soul

Nephesh is the soul and means the entire physical person.

Ruach is the spirit and literally means breath.

 

[Pegg]

I swore that 'soul' was derived from literal 'breath'. I mean, to an ancient goat-herder, the one thing that will assuredly kill anyone is suffocating them. It also lends to the idioms such as 'the breath has gone out of them'.

Spirit is Ruach in hebrew... it means breath.

the soul is the Nephesh and refers to the entire physical person.

 

[Tumah]

You too are mixing up spirit and soul

Nephesh is the soul and means the entire physical person.

Ruach is the spirit and literally means breath.

You too are mixing up words in a language that you do not speak.

The word Nephesh comes from the root word NPSh meaning to catch one's breath. Ex. 31:17 "he rested (lit. sat) and refreshed himself (VaYiNaPHaSH lit. caught his breath) (NWT)"

It is used to mean soul. "NeFeSH HaBaSaR BaDaM HU" "The soul of the flesh is in the blood (Lev. 17:11)". The entire physical person, is not in the blood.

Nephesh is related to breath (as above)
Ruah is related to breath (it doesn't literally mean breath, it means wind or spirit, but there is wind when one breathes).
Neshamah is related to breath (actually means the breath)
And they're all used in relation to the soul.

There are already words for the physical body. They are "GUF", "G'ViYaH" and "PeGeR"
1 Sam. 31:12 "And they took (G'ViYaTH) the body of Saul."
1 Chron. 10:12 "And they carried (GuFaTH) the body of Saul."

And before you tell me that this refers to a cadaver (indistinguishable from "the entire physical person" as it is):
Ex. 21:3 "If by himself (B'GaPO, lit. with his body) he will come in..."
Neh. 9:37 "and over our bodies (G'ViYaTHeNU) they rule..."

PeGeR actually is a cadaver.

 

[Pegg]

You too are mixing up words in a language that you do not speak.

The word Nephesh comes from the root word NPSh meaning to catch one's breath. Ex. 31:17 "he rested (lit. sat) and refreshed himself (VaYiNaPHaSH lit. caught his breath) (NWT)"

It is used to mean soul. "NeFeSH HaBaSaR BaDaM HU" "The soul of the flesh is in the blood (Lev. 17:11)". The entire physical person, is not in the blood.

Nephesh is related to breath (as above)
Ruah is related to breath (it doesn't literally mean breath, it means wind or spirit, but there is wind when one breathes).
Neshamah is related to breath (actually means the breath)
And they're all used in relation to the soul.

yes, because the breath (wind/spirit) comes in and out of the body (soul)

Our physical being (soul) requires breath in order to sustain it. Take away the breath (spirit), and the soul (flesh) dies. Breath into a dead soul, it comes to life. (ie, resuscitation)

 

[JFish123]

Our body is completely destroyed (usually) after death along with our skins. I guess it is our souls that go to heaven or hell (believing soul, heaven and hell exists). Why does our souls need skin? Does God takes one soul along with the skin? More over what if this person has Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP)?

Congenital insensitivity to pain (CIP), also known as congenital analgesia, is one or more rare conditions in which a person cannot feel (and has never felt) physical pain.
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What I have been thinking is this - why does god has to give us earthly punishments in hell. fire, burning, fresh skin (all physical or earthly found things) in hell (non physical)?

There is indeed a hell. Jesus actually spoke more about hell then He did heaven.
Let us be clear on this: PUNISHMENT ENTAILS SUFFERING, and SUFFERING NECESSARILY ENTAILS CONSCIENCE. One can exist and not be punished; but no one can be punished and not exist. Annihilation avoids punishment, rather than encountering it.
So, how do we know that the punishment in Matthew 25:46 of the Bible does not entail an extinction of conscience and annihilation? There are many evidences. For example, consider the Fact that there are no DEGREES of annihilation. After all, one is either annihilated or one is not. In contrast, Scripture teaches that there will be degrees of punishment on the day of judgment (Matthew 10:15, 11:21-24, 16:27; Luke 12:47-48; John 15:22; Hebrews 10:29; revelation 20:11-15, 22:12, etc...)
The very Fact that people will suffer varying degrees of punishment in hell shows that annihilation or the extinction of conscience is not taught in Matthew 25:46 or anywhere else in Scripture. These are incompatible concepts.
One of course is that God doesn't send anyone to Hell. You send yourself there. God has done everything He possibly can to keep you out of Hell and still leave you as a person with free will and not just a robot. That's the way He made us--after His image, after His likeness, the power to say “yes” or the power to say “no,” the power to reject our own Creator, and of course to take the consequences.
In one sense you can say He doesn't send anybody to Hell, because across the road to Hell he has placed the cross of Christ. There are also the prayers of parents, pastors and Sunday school teachers, and all the other things that God brings into our lives to stop us on our selfish way and to bring us to the Savior. We have to go wandering on past it all and put ourselves in Hell.
Can a God of love send anyone to Hell? You might as well ask some other question to make just as much sense. Does God allow disease in the world? Does God allow jails and prisons for some people? Does God allow the electric chair sometimes? Does God allow sin to break homes and hearts? Does God allow war? All of these things are the consequences of sin entering into the world, and in some cases the direct result of man's rebellion.
You jump off a high building, the law of gravity will take care of you. You might say, “God is love,” all the way down, but you're still going to get splattered when you hit the bottom! You break the law of gravity, and it breaks you! You may love your little child, but if he puts his finger up on that hot burner on the gas stove or the electric stove, he's going to get burned!
Fire burns. Gravity kills. Water drowns. And you can say, "God is love, God is love, God is love," until you're blue in the face. But water will still drown you, fire will burn you, and gravity will kill you, and sin will damn you no matter how much you say about a loving God.
The way of escape
The only way to escape the righteous judgment of God is to trust in the provision He has made. This provision is found in Jesus. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16). Jesus is the only way to salvation (John 14:6). Jesus is also God in flesh (John 1:1,14; Col. 2:9). Therefore, Jesus' life is of infinite value. This means that His sacrifice is sufficient to cleanse you of your sins. It is capable of satisfying the infinitely righteous standard of God that is required to match His infinite holiness.
Jesus' sacrifice is the only provision acceptable to God the Father. If you want to escape the eternal judgment of God, you must put your trust in Jesus and what He did on the cross and in nothing else. Without Him, there is no hope of escape on the Day of Judgment. How do you do this? You receive Jesus (John 1:12). You trust in Him alone. You can ask Jesus to forgive you of your sins (John 14:14). Trust Him alone.

 

[psychoslice]

Its all a lie, that simple, its was made up to keep the followers together and to scare them from leaving the flock of sheep, and that is what these people are, sheep.

 

[JFish123]

Its all a lie, that simple, its was made up to keep the followers together and to scare them from leaving the flock of sheep, and that is what these people are, sheep.

Sheep with a Good Shepherd who laid down His life for His sheep

 

[psychoslice]

Sheep with a Good Shepherd who laid down His life for His sheep

Ha, so its said, but that is just where they want you, a sheep that can't think for itself.

 

[JFish123]

Ha, so its said, but that is just where they want you, a sheep that can't think for itself.

God gave us free will to choose. I choose His word do you think your free? What do you put your time into? Are you addicted to anything? Porn or sex, drugs, food, negative thoughts, etc... Then your not free but in bondage. Only Jesus can free you

 

[psychoslice]

God gave us free will to choose. I choose His word do you think your free? What do you put your time into? Are you addicted to anything? Porn or sex, drugs, food, negative thoughts, etc... Then your not free but in bondage. Only Jesus can free you

Yes but in you little mind there is only one choice, anything other than that is wrong in your little eye's.

 

[JFish123]

Yes but in you little mind there is only one choice, anything other than that is wrong in your little eye's.

We all walk with a limp in life-whether it's physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. I choose to carry the crutch of Gods word to sustain me. No side effects or negative consequences unlike anything else I could use

 

[psychoslice]

We all walk with a limp in life-whether it's physical, mental, emotional, or spiritual. I choose to carry the crutch of Gods word to sustain me. No side effects or negative consequences unlike anything else I could use

Yes a crutch, because you cannot use your own mind, and think for yourself, this is called intelligence, have you ever heard of that ?.

 

[JFish123]

Yes a crutch, because you cannot use your own mind, and think for yourself, this is called intelligence, have you ever heard of that ?.

I do, I did, which is why I chose Christ lol