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This transgender thing predates Hollywood or video games.
I won't even let you erase me.
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To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)
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I won't even let you erase me.
Those who think about it, tend to agree with the latter description.
Those who feel about tend to agree with Ramaswamy.
Do you understand the difference between sex and "gender," as it's being used today?
Psychologists have found that sexual orientation isn't black-or-white, and doesn't always correspond with anatomical sex.
Parents report that the first signs of alternate sexual orientation often appear in toddlers, before children are even aware "normal" orientations.
fMRI and PET scans visualize alternate activation areas and neurologic pathways in those reporting alternate gender identities. IE: It looks hard-wired.
In the case of homosexuality, brain MRIs sometimes reveal anatomical variations associated with the opposite sex, particularly in anatomical males. Again, looks hard wired.
My fault entirely.
In post #3 I suggested people read: What is gender? What is sex?
Unfortunately I forgot to add the link. I've corrected the oversight in the line above.
My apologies.
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Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'm referring to hermaphrodites whom I consider a third natural sex and gender.
stvdv
Veteran Member
Why you ask this?
The only question I asked was:
"I am curious what people think of Vivek's POV"
I think it depends on what they are exactly biologically. But basically they are deformed men or women.
Ok, thank you. Now, if we accept this: "Gender refers to the socially constructed roles"...is there any role that woman or man can't have?
Ok, but what do you think the word "sex" means in that?
Argentbear
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I think he is an idiot.
Gender dysphoria actually is a mental illness but is it NOT transgender. Gender dysphoria is an anxiety disorder that trans people can get (about 14% will at some point in their lives)
"Sex you're attracted to is hardwired at birth, a core premise of the gay rights movement." this is orientation not identity. apples over here, oranges over there
Argentbear
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And did that really happen? Very doubtful. there have been several cases of people making these claims but medical records told a very different story.
Argentbear
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Common sense is to laugh at that conclusion
it is equally plausible to say:
Lots of kids drink Pepsi products. Obviously Pepsi causes kids to become trans,
to make the logical leap you just did you have to show a causal relationship and there isn't one.
Consider trans people whos parents never divorces and were never bullied etc
Argentbear
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that depends on the society they live in.
Why are you curious about what we think? Do you suppose that there are experts on the subject lurking among RF members?
For that matter, why do you care what Vivek Ramaswamy thinks? What is his expertise?
Now, I'll grant that he graduated in biology, which means that there's at least something he should know: "mental health" (in fact mental everything) is totally dependent on the biology of neurons and the complex interconnections of them. We know this for the very simple reason that we know how to shut mental awareness down totally, so that we can slice open bodies -- even brains -- without the individual's conscious awareness of it, and bring them back again to their right selves by simply stopping dripping those chemicals in.
Wiring, as in neural interconnection, is physical. It gives rise to mental states, but it is not mental in itself. And if gender perception (like every other perception) is a function of those neural interconnections, then it is perfectly possible that the same body can host the outward physical characteristics of one gender and the neural characteristics of another.
Cultures around the world and throughout history have recognized and come to grips with the fact that there are a few people who are in fat "different:" whose gender identities (mental perception of who they are) do not properly fit their assigned sex at birth. Why is it, I wonder, that modern Americans have so bloody much difficulty with what primitive people could understand?
Third gender - Wikipedia
stvdv
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Common sense tells me, that this easily can happen nowadays. Suicides due to bullying is real too. So, the article I read is much more likely to happen.
stvdv
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stvdv
Veteran Member
I rather listen to experts with personal experience than so called experts without personal experience.
IF I cared what Vivek thinks, I would not have asked on RF what RF'ers think. I shared this Vivek YouTube as an example of this hot topic
Thank you for your replyNow, I'll grant that he graduated in biology, which means that there's at least something he should know: "mental health" (in fact mental everything) is totally dependent on the biology of neurons and the complex interconnections of them. We know this for the very simple reason that we know how to shut mental awareness down totally, so that we can slice open bodies -- even brains -- without the individual's conscious awareness of it, and bring them back again to their right selves by simply stopping dripping those chemicals in.
Wiring, as in neural interconnection, is physical. It gives rise to mental states, but it is not mental in itself. And if gender perception (like every other perception) is a function of those neural interconnections, then it is perfectly possible that the same body can host the outward physical characteristics of one gender and the neural characteristics of another.
Cultures around the world and throughout history have recognized and come to grips with the fact that there are a few people who are in fat "different:" whose gender identities (mental perception of who they are) do not properly fit their assigned sex at birth. Why is it, I wonder, that modern Americans have so bloody much difficulty with what primitive people could understand?
Third gender - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Argentbear
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Common sense tell me the opposite. There are well published and enforced guidelines. Insurance companies require criteria for certain medications to be met before authorizing payment sex hormone therapy is one of those classes of drugs. Also required for minors is that such drugs are prescribed by certain medical professionals. Your general practitioner, for example, doesn't usually prescribe Antimetabolites for people with cancer.
The idea that a first appointment with a "so called expert" who also happens to have a medical degree seems unlikely. such experts are not that common and screenings always happen.
I'm not saying something like this didn't happen I am saying it is extremely unlikely. So find your article and share it and let's put this to bed
stvdv
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I never expected to find it again, but I did
Here it is, please tell me if you think it's a scam
Argentbear
Well-Known Member
She claims that she was convinced she was trans by doctors but yet according to her own statements
She had numerous visits with mental health providers and medical doctors including an endocrinologists who said she was too young for hormone therapy, then got a second opinions from other doctors until finding one who approved the treatment.
So basically she blames medical professionals who warned her of the consequences, but yet sought multiple providers until she go the answer she was looking for.
What is really telling in all this is that she has continually refused to release her medical records, records that would prove her story to be true
stvdv
Veteran Member
Thank you for sharing your info
Personally the clear message I learn from this example, is that experts should never start gender change at age 12 or 13.
Smoking, sex, alcohol are allowed age 18 or so
There should be age limit here to