To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[stvdv]

Right. So, what forms of treatment would you suggest are appropriate for children considering transition?

I don't believe it should be done at all
So, I don't suggest any treatment to young kids

And when they are grown up, they can do what they want.

 

[stvdv]

To not treat young people with gender dysphoria
also has its risks, eg, suicide. The balance between
allowing & denying sex transition should be that
which maximizes well being. Denial fails to achieve it.

I meant with "not treat", don't give meds, like hormones, or surgery and stuff

Of course it would be good to guide them, to solve emotional traumas if there are any, and make 100% sure it's not trauma related, like depression or being bullied, or violence at home etc.etc

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I don't believe it should be done at all
So, I don't suggest any treatment to young kids

So you literally believe children should not receive any kind of medical care or assistance?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

I meant with "not treat", don't give meds, like hormones, or surgery and stuff

Again, so you advocate that, no matter what, children should not receive basic medical care such as medication or surgery?

 

[Revoltingest]

I meant with "not treat", don't give meds, like hormones, or surgery and stuff

Of course it would be good to guide them, to solve emotional traumas if there are any, and make 100% sure it's not trsuma related, like depression or being bullied, or violence at home etc.etc

I favor more aggressive treatment when
the child & doctors find it appropriate.
More experience with the procedures will
inform future treatment.

 

[Kenny]

hey one of the "sources" used to assemble this "database" is the American College of pediatricians - now where have we heard that name before?


Lets take a look at the "database" this organization has compiled and see just how many children have been mutilated....
Now that is funny their data base doesn't show any at all. hmmmm


if we go to the state by state map we can see lots of interesting things. I used the data from the state of Virginia. first thing they list is "Total sex change patients" and learned there were 234 children who had under gone sex change operations....except they hadn't. what the data base list as a sex change patient is anyone who was receiving ANY sort of gender affirming care. but then the data base notes there were 77 surgical patients. Total unique children who underwent gender affirming surgeries. So what surgeries were included? Seems the database doesn't include that information. combing through the pages of billing codes i eventually found that the 77 children in this category were all classified under
the CPT code 55970. But when you make an inquiry about code 55970 you find that it is the surgical code for surgeries related to intersex conditions in newborns

So no sex change operations for children. What a surprise

Please tell me that you aren’t saying that "there are no children or teenagers that are have sex changes” performed on them.

 

[stvdv]

So you literally believe children should not receive any kind of medical care or assistance?

Not what I said nor what I implied

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Not what I said nor what I implied

You don't believe young kids should receive treatment, and shouldn't be given meds, surgery or hormones.

You're advocating against the right for doctors to be able to treat children at all. If you believe children shouldn't be able to consent to, say, hormone blockers or medication to treat gender dysphoria, how can you possibly believe that children should be able to consent to, say, antidepressants or amputation for any other reason?

 

[stvdv]

Again, so you advocate that, no matter what, children should not receive basic medical care such as medication or surgery?

You just misinterpret. Maybe because you try to find faults in my reply. If your goal was to understand what I wrote, you would not misinterpret. My English is very easy to understand, if you have the proper mindset

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You just misinterpret. Maybe because you try to find faults in my reply. If your goal was to understand what I wrote, you would not misinterpret. My English is very easy to understand, if you have the proper mindset

No, I'm being very clear. You stated that you believe underage children should not receive medical care such a meds or surgery. That's unambiguous. Unless you can explain why you would make an exception for one of any number of countless obvious examples of where medical intervention is necessary for a child, such as antidepressants, your argument is not just an argument against trans healthcare, but against all healthcare.

 

[stvdv]

You don't believe young kids should receive treatment, and shouldn't be given meds, surgery or hormones.

You're advocating against the right for doctors to be able to treat children at all. If you believe children shouldn't be able to consent to, say, hormone blockers or medication to treat gender dysphoria, how can you possibly believe that children should be able to consent to, say, antidepressants or amputation for any other reason?

You totally misinterpreting my words
You put all kind of lies in my words
Stop doing that

As I explained already before
Better read proper
Simple English

I didn't use any difficult words

 

[stvdv]

No, I'm being very clear. You stated that you believe underage children should not receive medical care such a meds or surgery. That's unambiguous. Unless you can explain why you would make an exception for one of any number of countless obvious examples of where medical intervention is necessary for a child, such as antidepressants, your argument is not just an argument against trans healthcare, but against all healthcare.

You can't read proper
Stop putting words in my mouth

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You totally misinterpreting my words
You put all kind of lies in my words
Stop doing that

No, I did not. It's what you wrote. I'm not lying.

As I explained already before
Better read proper
Simple English

I didn't use any difficult words

Here are your words.

I asked:
"So, what forms of treatment would you suggest are appropriate for children considering transition?"

You said:
"I don't believe it should be done at all
So, I don't suggest any treatment to young kids"

If your position is not the position that you very clearly an unambiguously stated above, rather than calling me a liar - which I have now proven I am not - you could attempt to expand on your position and be more specific.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

You can't read proper
Stop putting words in my mouth

Stop insisting I'm putting words in your mouth and instead explain your position better, because right now what you're essentially arguing is no different to arguing that children shouldn't receive any treatment of any kind for any other reason. You need to explain why gender affirmative care, in a sea of forms of medical intervention that kids can receive, should be a specific exception, given that we have already agreed that, say, voluntary assignment surgery should be exclusive to consenting adults.

So, I will ask again with a bit of expansion: since you believe that options such as irreversible surgery shouldn't be given to children, what treatments would you suggest SHOULD be used for children considering transition or experiencing gender dysphoria?

 

[Kenny]

Let me guess...these "undercover videos" are
from Christian anti-abortion advocates?
And they carefully cull & edit to serve an agenda.
Just like the ones that "prove" vaccines kill.

No… they were bull actual video and audio of people who admitted the truth than, by and large, people want to broom it under a rug of “this isn’t true”.

That’s what happened in the Holocaust. The genocide of babies in US alone has have exceeded the Holocaust by 4 fold since it became legal. Had nothing to do with the safety of mom.

I'm addressing the Christian & Maga opposition to
the profit motive in capitalism only when people
earn wages performing abortions. You could argue
the same thing about a "dental industrial complex",
it, those evil tooth doctors kill cavities for profit!

apples and oranges and the prices of eggs are for profit too.

It's dishonest deflecting to try to turn an argument
about abortion rights vs fetus rights into a critique
against one small segment of capitalism.
BTW, many hospitals are non-profit organizations,
or even arms of state government.

You are all over the map with no final destination.

 

[stvdv]

You said:
"I don't believe it should be done at all
So, I don't suggest any treatment to young kids"

Exactly what I thought
You read the second line so wrong

My suggestion:
Accept that your interpretation must be false
Then reread it with an unbiased mind

And you will smilingly admit:
"Oops that was indeed so foolish of me"
"I totally misread and/or misinterpreted it"

You can continue replying foolishly
But I am not going to explain this simple line

 

[stvdv]

Stop insisting I'm putting words in your mouth and instead explain your position better, because right now what you're essentially arguing is no different to arguing that children shouldn't receive any treatment of any kind for any other reason. You need to explain why gender affirmative care, in a sea of forms of medical intervention that kids can receive, should be a specific exception, given that we have already agreed that, say, voluntary assignment surgery should be exclusive to consenting adults.

So, I will ask again with a bit of expansion: since you believe that options such as irreversible surgery shouldn't be given to children, what treatments would you suggest SHOULD be used for children considering transition or experiencing gender dysphoria?

Think twice before you reply

You seem te be read-blind now

Sleep one night
And you realize you were "blind"

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Exactly what I thought
You read the second line so wrong

My suggestion:
Accept that your interpretation must be false
Then reread it with an unbiased mind

And you will smilingly admit:
"Oops that was indeed so foolish of me"
"I totally misread and/or misinterpreted it"

You can continue replying foolishly
But I am not going to explain this simple line

I'm sorry that your very poor choice of words has lead you into a position where you have to keep calling me foolish and a liar rather than address the actual point I am making, which is that if you choose to believe there should be no medical care for children seeking transition or suffering gender dysphoria you have no basis on which you can argue that there is any positive medical intervention that can be done for any kids for any reason.

Are you going to continue patronising and insulting me, or are you going to deal with my actual argument?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Think twice before you reply

Think once before you post.

 

[stvdv]

Think once before you post.

I think ca. 12 min before I post important things