To Be or Not To Be: your gender (Vivek R.)

[libre]

WPATH is corrupt to the bones.

I have nothing further to say on this matter as because my previous efforts to engage with you honestly on this subject were not reciprocated.

 

[Argentbear]

Which of those statements do you think are false?

they are statements saying from the group you linked to that transgenderism doesn't exist. The very thing you accused me of lying about.

 

[Argentbear]

For those of you reading along this thread, I want you to know that I'm not going to respond to mr. flame for the simple reason that he started his exchange with me by lying about the nature of my posts. In my book, if you have to lie to further your argument, you probably don't have a very good argument.

no, he told the truth.

 

[Argentbear]

I'm inferring from your posts that either you don't understand how healthcare works, or you don't understand statistics, or you don't understand meta-studies. either that or you DO understand those things and you're intentionally misconstruing them.

In any case, I'm not going to teach you these things.

do you have any response other than more personals attacks?

 

[Argentbear]

WHO relies on WPATH and WPATH is corrupt to the bones.

This isn't really WHO's fault, nor is it the fault of doctors who follow WPATH's guidelines. Medicine is a HUGE discipline and specialists are frequently relied upon by other doctors. It's just that in this case the "specialists" (WPATH), are corrupt.

you have been asked many times to back up your claims about just how WPATH is corrupt. You have never once replied.

 

[Kathryn]

you are not correct. I beleive you are thinking about puberty blockers. 90% of puberty blockers are prescribed for a medical condition called percusses puberty, puberty beginning far to early. Puberty in those children has already started when treatment starts

Sorry, everyone else disagrees with you. Personally if I was transitioning from female to male, I'd rather not have my breasts surgically removed.

 

[Argentbear]

Sorry, everyone else disagrees with you.

facts remains fact even if you don't like them or me.

Personally if I was transitioning from female to male, I'd rather not have my breasts surgically removed.

and that would be your choice.

 

[Kathryn]

facts remains fact even if you don't like them or me.

and that would be your choice.

But hormone treatment before puberty could stop breasts from developing.

 

[Argentbear]

But hormone treatment before puberty could stop breasts from developing.

That is what puberty blockers do. And almost all puberty blockers are prescribed after puberty starts it whos that yes they are effective after puberty starts.

 

[Kathryn]

That is what puberty blockers do. And almost all puberty blockers are prescribed after puberty starts it whos that yes they are effective after puberty starts.

There's a huge difference betweeen a 13 year old and an 18 year old.

 

[stvdv]

Transitioning is like other medical procedures,
ie, there are risks, & potential for error.
Yet such procedures, eg,

heart transplants,

brain surgery

gastric bypass.

I hope that by putting it this way, that it's obvious that transitioning is very different from the other ones you mention

It is NOT like the other (above) procedures

There are at least 2 essential differences:
a1) Physical health perfectly fine in Gender Dysphoria
a2) Physical health is critically bad in heart transplant

b1) Physical health is big time damaged after GD program
b2) Physical health is big time improved after heart transplant

Edit: Thank you @Shadow Wolf:
a1) I compared the differences between 12y GD and a 40y Heart Transplant, hence 12y "physical health perfectly fine", but of course there are exceptions where a 12y can be physical sick

b1) "big time damaged" as in "irreversible changed", female breasts or male penis amputated etc

 

[stvdv]

Yes, I am vilifying GAC. I think kids with GD should get talk therapy and nothing more.

No social transitioning,

no drugs, no surgeries.

100% agree

As for WPATH's SOC, it's basically GAC, correct? I think that for kids with GD the things I just listed are all dangerous.

In this case "I know" is acceptable
And that's exactly the key point

As for growing out of GD, studies are easy to find. I know you won't like the folks who put this list of studies together, but that's beside the point. You asked about studies, this link provides a list of studies:

I loved it ... Dutch study even

Do children grow out of gender dysphoria? - Transgender Trend

Thank you

Common Sense solves most problems

 

[stvdv]

Do you believe that all such transition are mutilations,
or that only the regretted transitions are?

There are all kinds of "mutilations" if I think of certain African tribes. Or even tattoos or earrings and stuff

When Big Pharma with Big Money get involved then it's time to be vigilant. Money greediness breeds demonic practices, as very few humans are Saints in Kali Yuga, many easily give in to $$$ temptation

IF no brainwash, imposing, media madness is involved, nor organ danger etc., so no physical real harm at all
THEN I don't stop them
ELSE I don't stop them

 

[stvdv]

"You" are your brain

That's your opinion

My Advaita teachers all taught me:
"You are not the body"
"You are not the mind"
"Thou Art That"

 

[stvdv]

I don't believe any man has a female brain. It would be nice to know what that even would mean.

My Master told us:
God is male
All humans are female

At least it's more simple than Gender Dysphoria

Personally, I prefer things simple
Keeps my mind at peace

Though
When I have headache
I take difficult math problems
After solving them the headache is gone

 

[stvdv]

I'm addressing the Christian & Maga opposition to
the profit motive in capitalism only when people
earn wages performing abortions. You could argue
the same thing about a "dental industrial complex",
it, those evil tooth doctors kill cavities for profit

A murderer uses a knife to cut and kill
A surgeon uses the same knife to cure

I go for cure

 

[Argentbear]

I hope that by putting it this way, that it's obvious that transitioning is very different from the other ones you mention

It is NOT like the other (above) procedures

There are at least 2 essential differences:
a1) Physical health perfectly fine in Gender Dysphoria

Overall health in a person with gender dysphoria is not perfectly fine. The stress, anxiety and mood disorders can be crippling and then there is the negative impact GD has on ones entire life, pretending to be something you are not is detrimental mentally and physically

a2) Physical health is critically bad in heart transplant

b1) Physical health is big time damaged after GD program

That is a huge claim and not one born out by evidence

Sexual and Physical Health After Sex Reassignment Surgery by Griet De Cuypere found many post transitions individuals had improved physical health related to being more willing to engage in healthy body positive activities.

 

[stvdv]

I favor more aggressive treatment

Okay, sometimes we differ from opinion
glad you're not my doctor, though

the child & doctors find it appropriate.
More experience with the procedures will
inform future treatment.

As a vegetarian I think it's kind of cool that they don't use lab rats for this experimenting phase

I would like to know, though, how many GD doctors and their wives would allow their own biological children to participate in these experiments

Especially knowing that:
Can gender dysphoria go away?
CONCLUSION: Most children grow out of their gender dysphoria as they reach adolescence.

 

[stvdv]

What if the emotional trauma is not getting meds, hormones, surgery and stuff?

I have had depression for ca. 30 years
No meds, I just accepted depression
Spiritual wisdom was my solution
I am not the mind, nor the body

GD treatment is no cure, It's symptomatic relief
At great cost, that can not be overlooked

We were granted our life
We are free to do as we please
God won't judge your choice nor do I

If you want to go this path, I won't discourage you
I also choose my choices, and accept related karma

 

[icehorse]

I have nothing further to say on this matter as because my previous efforts to engage with you honestly on this subject were not reciprocated.

project much?