To Be Superior or Not To Be Superior

[blü 2]

Oh also I think Jesus was referring to his first resurrection.

It's your faith, and you're free to believe as you please.

My own view is that none of those quotes is referring to the risen Jesus, who clearly didn't establish the Kingdom on earth, then or since.

 

[Jimmy]

It's your faith, and you're free to believe as you please.

My own view is that none of those quotes is referring to the risen Jesus, who clearly didn't establish the Kingdom on earth, then or since.

Ain’t my faith.

 

[Jimmy]

It's your faith, and you're free to believe as you please.

My own view is that none of those quotes is referring to the risen Jesus, who clearly didn't establish the Kingdom on earth, then or since.

Well I guess Christians believe he’ll return because he didn’t then and hasn’t yet.

 

[Jimmy]

It's your faith, and you're free to believe as you please.

My own view is that none of those quotes is referring to the risen Jesus, who clearly didn't establish the Kingdom on earth, then or since.

I guess “Jesus” left that part out about returning 2000 years later. Haha

 

[Samael_Khan]

Very accurate. Supremacy is not human nature, but indeed it's due to a "Supremacist mind", indeed also not on my "to achieve list"

Age 10 I told my mother "it's wrong to say Jesus is the only way". What about the people who don't know Jesus, or those born before Jesus?
God would be unfair and not loving, so Jesus can't be the only way"

My thinking is that there is something about humans that turn us into a virus. Not only do we as a whole seek to dominate other humans, but we also seek continuous technological superiority and dismiss the destruction of the earth. We arent a species who likes living in harmony with others.

Yeah it doesnt make sense for Jesus to be the only way. Not only are there people who don't know Jesus but the evidence for him and his God is not conclusive.

 

[1213]

...So many times I see Supremacy raise it's head on RF....

Can other be called supremacists without being oneself supremacist? Don't you think your ideas are superior?

I think it is not necessary wrong to call something superior, even if it leads to anger and hate. For example I think truth is superior. It causes anger and hate in many. And it is sad, but I don't think we should then reject it, for not to cause anger and hate.

 

[Samael_Khan]

Well I guess Christians believe he’ll return because he didn’t then and hasn’t yet.

Which kinda is a problem. Because it then seems as if there is no standard for a prophecy being proven wrong because they will just keep moving the goalpost by reinterpreting what was written.

 

[Estro Felino]

Well, their belief "Jesus is the only way for all" is quite monolith. Probably more than 90%; my own experience is ca. 99,9%, sometimes they don't like to admit, but after pushing buttons the truth emerges what they truly believe

No...I meant we have all different soteriologies.
I believe good atheists will be saved.

The problem is to be good. Do you think there are good people among Christians?
No.

 

[stvdv]

Can other be called supremacists without being oneself supremacist?

Of course, kind of obvious, right?

The definition of a supremacist is clear and simple
One need not be a genius nor a Supremacist

Don't you think your ideas are superior?

No

I think it is not necessary wrong to call something superior, even if it leads to anger and hate.

Except when it's about feelings or faith
Again, kind of obvious ... their mind !
Hence "mind your own business"
Which clarifies it all

For example I think truth is superior. It causes anger and hate in many. And it is sad, but I don't think we should then reject it, for not to cause anger and hate.

Here we talk about Religion (beliefs) not virtues

 

[stvdv]

No...I meant we have all different soteriologies.
I believe good atheists will be saved.

I believe "be a good Atheist" is all that's needed
"Be saved" is a belief that's not part of my faith

The problem is to be good. Do you think there are good people among Christians?
No.

You don't believe there are good Christians?

Jesus did say "thy shall not judge, lest ..."
Jesus didn't say "Belittle other's faith"

Christians made that one up themselves

Clearly false IF you believe in:
a) the Great Commandments
b) the Golden Rule
c) "thy shall not judge, lest ..."

IF you follow these 3, to answer your question,
THEN you seem to be a good Christian to me

 

[stvdv]

Which kinda is a problem. Because it then seems as if there is no standard for a prophecy being proven wrong because they will just keep moving the goalpost by reinterpreting what was written.

Also

The Bible declares that the "Kingdom already happened" a bit after Jesus walked the earth
(See the numerous verses @blü 2 provided)

So

IF you believe the Bible is 100% true
THEN you believe "Kingdom already happened"
THEN why "Kingdom will happen again"?
Unless "Kingdom" is Spiritual or not literal

IF you believe Bible is not 100% true
THEN make ("Kingdom") claims is not sensible

 

[Samael_Khan]

Also

The Bible declares that the "Kingdom already happened" a bit after Jesus walked the earth
(See the numerous verses @blü 2 provided)

So

IF you believe the Bible is 100% true
THEN you believe "Kingdom already happened"
THEN why "Kingdom will happen again"?
Unless "Kingdom" is Spiritual or not literal

IF you believe Bible is not 100% true
THEN make ("Kingdom") claims is not sensible

I think they believe this because of the book of revelation. But, also, christians prefer cherry picking verses rather than reading each book like a book so they can understand the context. That is why them quoting verse doesn't mean that much. They should rather quote passages. And they assume all the books harmonise with each other so they will choose select verse to interpret or override the meaning of other verses. Its a mess. They believe what they desire.

 

[Heyo]

Can other be called supremacists without being oneself supremacist? Don't you think your ideas are superior?

I think it is not necessary wrong to call something superior, even if it leads to anger and hate. For example I think truth is superior. It causes anger and hate in many. And it is sad, but I don't think we should then reject it, for not to cause anger and hate.

Yes, I think the idea of superiority is the minor problem. E.g. science is the superior method of finding the laws of the universe, and science has the track record to prove it.
I've been told that I have superior mental capabilities from childhood on. But what my parents wanted me to make of that superiority was a sense of responsibility. "You are smarter than your peers, you shouldn't participate in dumb actions." Noblesse oblige, superiority is an obligation, with great power comes great responsibility.
It's when people think superiority results in entitlement, things go wrong.

 

[stvdv]

I think they believe this because of the book of revelation.

I think you're right
Revelations are never exact
Hence these claims are "not smart" at best

But, also, christians prefer cherry picking verses rather than reading each book like a book so they can understand the context.

People seem to love their cherries indeed

Cherry picking usually happens when Religious Superiority kicks in. I believe anyone with or without Religion can reach the Goal of Life (whatever that is), so

I never cherry pick to prove a Religion is false, because I don't believe any Religion is false.

Followers just should not belittle Feelings or faith of others, because that obviously is wrong (proof is simple: read RF Rule nr ... )

That is why them quoting verse doesn't mean that much.

They should rather quote passages.

True, much smarter

Even better: first do introspection and ask "why I feel the need to prove/impose my faith to/on others"

And they assume all the books harmonise with each other so they will choose select verse to interpret or override the meaning of other verses. Its a mess. They believe what they desire.

Messy indeed it gets

 

[stvdv]

Yes, I think the idea of superiority is the minor problem. E.g. science is the superior method of finding the laws of the universe, and science has the track record to prove it.
I've been told that I have superior mental capabilities from childhood on. But what my parents wanted me to make of that superiority was a sense of responsibility. "You are smarter than your peers, you shouldn't participate in dumb actions." Noblesse oblige, superiority is an obligation, with great power comes great responsibility.

I agree

It's when people think superiority results in entitlement,

Exactly that is my point in this thread

things go wrong.

Things also go wrong
When belittling feelings/faith of the other
Lacking empathy and compassion

Never smart to "Play the man (feelings/faith)"
Better expose their wrong actions

We can't always oblige
We can always speak obligingly

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do not support any of your superiority choices, so have not cast a vote.
I do not believe Any religion is definably superior to any other
Nor do I believe that science has any connection to religion.

I would further suggest that ...
We know nothing about god or gods.
That religions and gods are based entirely on suppositions.
That we know nothing about how the universe came in to being.
That so far neither science nor religion have established how this came about.
That all religions can have both good and bad outcomes.
That religious people are necessarily neither better nor worse than the non-religious.
That all religions have both good and bad aspects.

 

[Samael_Khan]

I think you're right
Revelations are never exact
Hence these claims are "not smart" at best

People seem to love their cherries indeed

Cherry picking usually happens when Religious Superiority kicks in. I believe anyone with or without Religion can reach the Goal of Life (whatever that is), so

I never cherry pick to prove a Religion is false, because I don't believe any Religion is false.

Followers just should not belittle Feelings or faith of others, because that obviously is wrong (proof is simple: read RF Rule nr ... )



True, much smarter

Even better: first do introspection and ask "why I feel the need to prove/impose my faith to/on others"

Messy indeed it gets

People have different interpretations of the book of revelations. It even says that Jesus and certain followers will kill Jesus enemies, so even the Christian peaceful nature can be a farce, considering that a lot of them wish for all christs enemies to get murdered.

I think that cherries appear in order to create a selling point for specific groups. Then they say "we are the truth because we have the correct interpretation." The superiority becomes a tool for the leaders to indoctrinate their follows and have power over them. And the followers like the idea of a superior teaching to make themselves feel good.

I personally do believe that there are false religions, and by that I mean those religions I know were created specifically to cater to the leader. I consider Megachurches to be false religions as well as harmful cults. But being aware that people are on a journey means that I cannot judge them for where they are. I can only critique the few things I see to be problems. And i especially wouldnt care to critique some persons faith if it is their lifeline.

As for introspection, one damn good quote from Jesus is:

"Why do you see the speck in your neighbours eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbour, "Let me take the speck out of your eye" while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbour's eye."

Most christians, and people in general, fail to practice this teaching.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I do not support any of your superiority choices, so have not cast a vote.
I do not believe Any religion is definitely superior to any other
Nor do I believe that science has any connection to religion.
I would further suggest that ...
We know nothing about god or gods.
That religions and gods are based entirely on suppositions.
That we know nothing about how the universe came in to being.
That so far neither science nor religion have established how this came about.
That all religions can have both good and bad outcomes.
That religious people are necessarily neither better nor worse than t non-religious.
That all religions have both good and bad aspects.

 

[stvdv]

People have different interpretations of the book of revelations. It even says that Jesus and certain followers will kill Jesus enemies, so even the Christian peaceful nature can be a farce, considering that a lot of them wish for all christs enemies to get murdered.

Then Christianity gets close to IS
The inevitable danger of Supremacy belief

I think that cherries appear in order to create a selling point for specific groups.

It seems that way ... selling ... a Religious deal

IMO evangelizing appears if there's lack of Love

Then they say "we are the truth because we have the correct interpretation."

Only an omniscient being can make such claim, as you need to have read all Scriptures and you must have interpreted them all correctly

Hence such a claim is per definition false

The superiority becomes a tool for the leaders to indoctrinate their follows and have power over them.

Kind of brainwashing ... no freedom of thought

And the followers like the idea of a superior teaching to make themselves feel good.

Fool oneself is easy if one lacks common sense

I personally do believe that there are false religions, and by that I mean those religions I know were created specifically to cater to the leader.

Even if your Guru is fake then you can reach your goal, because ultimately the true Master is your higher Self.

When I say there are no false Religions, I mean that any Religion is only just a tool, not the end goal. Like in school, you have great teachers and mediocre teachers ... with both you will pass the exam and reach your goal. With a mediocre Teacher study is easier, less headache and or delay

I consider Megachurches to be false religions as well as harmful cults.

Need not necessarily be, but probably true 99%

But being aware that people are on a journey means that I cannot judge them for where they are. I can only critique the few things I see to be problem

Indeed, hence I don't critique Religion or Church, just their actions, and more precise "them belittling others"

And i especially wouldnt care to critique some persons faith if it is their lifeline.

As for introspection, one damn good quote from Jesus is:
"Why do you see the speck in your neighbours eye, but do not notice the log in your own eye? Or how can you say to your neighbour, "Let me take the speck out of your eye" while the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbour's eye."

Most christians, and people in general, fail to practice this teaching.

Indeed that alone also proves exclusive Religion must be false if Jesus was right

 

[amorphous_constellation]

1, 2, 3, 4, and 10 seem like good ones, if I were to pick